For my Libertarian friends

JJLehto wrote: Garion81 wrote: Coming from a state where Illegal immigration is a huge issue Sales Tax is the only way illegal immigrants pay taxes.  Certainly the shady employer that hires them doesn't withhold money and send it to the state, and yet they use all the services that taxpayers use and overload a system not meant to handle them. California would not be broke if there were a better way of taxing these people. As for the business I say make it a felony to hire an illegal immigrant and you might see a drop when some the owners of these businesses get put in jail.  I do feel empathy to the illegal immigrant but there has to be something done about this situation.  Ignoring it, building walls there has to be some better ideas. So right now in California the sales tax is a good thing. 100% agreed. That's another difference between libertarians and Republicans. Reps talk a big game about cracking down on illegal immigration but they will never do anything. Because they need those immigrants to be used as cheap labor for businesses. And I have NO problem with immigration at all, and I do feel for the illegals as well...they are just hoping to do what all our families did by coming here...but it's gotta be legal. And yes, walls aren't going to solve anything, people who hire them have to be punished.

Coming from a state where Illegal immigration is a huge issue Sales Tax is the only way illegal immigrants pay taxes.  Certainly the shady employer that hires them doesn't withhold money and send it to the state, and yet they use all the services that taxpayers use and overload a system not meant to handle them. California would not be broke if there were a better way of taxing these people. As for the business I say make it a felony to hire an illegal immigrant and you might see a drop when some the owners of these businesses get put in jail.  I do feel empathy to the illegal immigrant but there has to be something done about this situation.  Ignoring it, building walls there has to be some better ideas. So right now in California the sales tax is a good thing.

Edited by Garion81 - July 16 2009 at 14:52

Henry Plainview wrote:

good stuff

Alex isn't here... he loves Ayn Rand. 

manofmystery wrote: A thread for Libertarians you say! Maybe we can get Pen Jillette to join Progarchives now

Mmmm The Residents.

You know, he was kind of once in a band with Fred Frith?

True.

147 - NEVER MIND THE SEX PISTOLS HERE'S BONGOS, BASS, AND BOB! (WHAT ON EARTH 
  WERE THEY THINKING?): Bongos, Bass, And Bob

    1/ Oral Hygiene                                                      2:34
    2/ Clothes Of The Dead                                               3:29
    3/ Walkin' In The Park                                               1:46
    4/ Temporarily Like Bob Dylan                                        5:00
    5/ Li'l Bluebird                                                     1:58
    6/ Mr. Lemke                                                         3:51
    7/ Hey Shirley                                                       2:34
    8/ What's Your Name Babe?                                            2:26
    9/ Rent Control (Our Life Together)                                  3:02
    10/ Jackson                                 (Rodgers, Wheeler)       3:00
    11/ Clearly Unhealthy                                                4:06
    12/ Cain't Grow A Beard                                              3:53
    13/ Payday                                                           2:32
    14/ Thorazine Shuffle                                                5:07
    15/ Die Tryin' To Escape                                             2:01
    16/ Girls With Guns                                                  3:07
    17/ Gun In My Hand (And I'm Waitin' On My Woman)                     6:13

    Recorded at Noise New York
    Produced by Kramer

  Rob "Running" Elk: guitar, rhythm guitar, vocals, little boy noises; Dean
  J. Seal: bongos, vocals, whistling, little boy noises; Penn Jillette: bass,
  mouth organ, vocals, phony tom tom, high hat, mouth noises; Kramer (2,3,5,6,
  9,11,15): siren whistle, phoney strings, fake accordion, whistle, backing
  vocals, fake B3, noise, slide guitar, phony horns; Fred Frith (5,8,10): vio-
  lin; Ann Magnuson (5,10?): backing vocals; Rudy Teller (11,16,17): phoney B3
  organ, vocals, fake sitar and tabla; Sweetie Pie (15): backing vocals; Marc
  Garland (15,16): backing vocals.

weed

mr.cub wrote: Epignosis wrote: Here's a better idea: Let Ramen noodles and Spam be exempt.  Then if you're flat broke, you can still eat without paying taxes.    Best idea I have heard in years. Of course you will need a microwave for the noodles

Um...no you don't.  I've eaten them sh*ts raw plenty of times.

JJLehto wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Flat tax...same rate for all, no tax exceptions for anyone, especially the wealthy who know the loopholes and how to end up paying LESS tax than the middle class. A flat tax would be better than and less problematic than a consumption tax....but still wrong. Again, it is regressive by nature. It impacts lower earners hardest, the middle class would pay the bulk of taxes, and the wealthy would, in effect, be getting HUGE breaks. What would the flat tax be? 15% If that was the case, let's say you make $375,000 right now. Under that flat tax, that'd be a 20% cut. Let's say the flat tax was 25%, then that would REALLY kill lower earners, especially if there are NO exceptions, (which there could not be because as you said people would loophole out of it)

Edited by StyLaZyn - July 15 2009 at 16:32

Slartibartfast wrote: JJLehto wrote: Now back to legalizing weed.... It will take a joint effort...

I'll be the token conservative.

JJLehto wrote: Now back to legalizing weed....

It will take a joint effort...