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micky 
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 Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:52 |
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well this was fun... but a final thought to you Robert...
I don't want to pay for thousands of people who venture here for a better life illegally.
if that is truly the case... why aren't you advocating an easy path to citizenship.... if you really care about what you supposedly pay. You do the commen sense thing.. and make it easy for them.. and others to come legally and pay for these things that leave you all so hot and bothered.. they are coming.. and will come whether you like it or not.
those that don't... leave only one possibility open in the minds of those who wonder why they are so ademently against them. If it isn't economic... it must be something else................
Edited by micky - July 16 2009 at 19:54
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micky
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:46 |
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hahahhaha... oh brother... think for a minute Robert.. just think what you WOULD pay if they were all just tossed out of the country. You are from SE SC... how much would they have to pay you to work in that Smithfield plant in Tar Heel. Want to see how much your pork will cost when you have to pay lazy self-intitled white guy $25 an hour to slaughter hogs and work in the conditions of that plant.
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:35 |
 micky wrote:
are you seriously even confusing the immoral nature of slavery... with illegal immigration.
sorry man.... not in the same boat... not in the same ocean.. not in the sphere of logic.
you want to bring illegal immigration and slavery into the same conversation.
why is immigration restricted..... fear... by bigots. Spare me the f**king economics.. if immigration wasn't made so difficult.. those people would now be citizens.. and paying taxes.
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1. You are misunderstanding me. My point was just because something happened in the past doesn't mean we have to accept it as okay now (i.e., illegal immigration).
2. Immigration must be restriction, and I'm not a bigot. I welcome people from anywhere...so long as they follow the RULES. I think that's reasonable. I get why you have a personal problem with it, but I will NOT spare you the economics of it, because we don't live in a fantasy world. People have to pay for sh*t in real life. I don't want to pay for thousands of people who venture here for a better life illegally.
People want to come to America? Let them learn to respect our laws.
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micky
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:31 |
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are you seriously even confusing the immoral nature of slavery... with illegal immigration.
sorry man.... not in the same boat... not in the same ocean.. not in the sphere of logic.
you want to bring illegal immigration and slavery into the same conversation.
why is immigration restricted..... fear... by bigots. Spare me the f**king economics.. if immigration wasn't made so difficult.. those people would now be citizens.. and paying taxes.
Edited by micky - July 16 2009 at 19:31
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:25 |
micky wrote:
well... I exclude you then... but deny me immigrants made this nation and I'll tell you to put away another six pack and mute your keyboard lest anyone think you are drunk and posting.
a thief?.... maybe I'm too late to save your reputation haha.... this is a nation of thieves... supposedly as a native-american.. you should know that better than a 3rd generation Polish American. 
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Micky, no offense, but that's really... I'll too refrain from being disrespectful. But here you are.
It's like saying this:
Me: "Slavery is wrong!"
You: "What?! How can you say slavery is immoral? Your country was built by slaves! How can you say slavery is immoral?"
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micky
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:22 |
well... I exclude you then... but deny me immigrants made this nation and I'll tell you to put away another six pack and mute your keyboard lest anyone think you are drunk and posting. a thief?.... maybe I'm too late to save your reputation haha.... this is a nation of thieves... supposedly as a native-american.. you should know that better than a 3rd generation Polish American.
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:16 |
micky wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
TGM: Orb wrote:
KoS wrote:
In terms of financial impact
medicare/medicaid > illegals.
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war > illegals and probably medicare too
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Without war, illegals wouldn't have anywhere to go.
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deleted a slightly disrespectful comment.... I'll do the rare thing for me..and be diplomatic...
that has to be one of the 'oddest' statements I've ever read.
not sure what you kiddies think illegals are doing.... let me give you a clue... they are trying to find a better life.. just like your f**king relatives were... and mine for that matter.
just think where this country would be if twits who share this fear of illegal immigration ruled this country in the first half of the last century. It is those immigrants that make this country as great ..well... as great as it was.. and still could be.
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A thief is trying to find a better life...do we tolerate his behavior?
And by the way, most of my ancestors (both sides) were natives.
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micky
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:09 |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:05 |
jammun wrote:
All I want to know, and it's a simple question and I don't mean to denigrate anyone, is why, when I'm in line behind them at the store, someone who is paying for food with food stamps also is listening to their IPod and making calls on their cell phone? |
Cell phones are pretty much mandatory these days, and if you cut out the landline it's not more expensive. iPod is another matter.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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micky
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:00 |
Epignosis wrote:
TGM: Orb wrote:
KoS wrote:
In terms of financial impact
medicare/medicaid > illegals.
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war > illegals and probably medicare too
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Without war, illegals wouldn't have anywhere to go.
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deleted a slightly disrespectful comment.... I'll do the rare thing for me..and be diplomatic... that has to be one of the 'oddest' statements I've ever read. not sure what you kiddies think illegals are doing.... let me give you a clue... they are trying to find a better life.. just like your f**king relatives were... and mine for that matter. just think where this country would be if twits who share this fear of illegal immigration ruled this country in the first half of the last century. It is those immigrants that make this country as great ..well... as great as it was.. and still could be.
Edited by micky - July 16 2009 at 19:02
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jammun
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 18:59 |
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All I want to know, and it's a simple question and I don't mean to denigrate anyone, is why, when I'm in line behind them at the store, someone who is paying for food with food stamps also is listening to their IPod and making calls on their cell phone?
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 18:48 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
KoS wrote:
In terms of financial impact
medicare/medicaid > illegals.
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war > illegals and probably medicare too
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Without war, illegals wouldn't have anywhere to go.
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 18:24 |
KoS wrote:
In terms of financial impact
medicare/medicaid > illegals.
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war > illegals and probably medicare too
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KoS
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 16:51 |
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In terms of financial impact
medicare/medicaid > illegals.
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Garion81
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 16:49 |
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They hang around on the corners because they are day laborers hired by contractors and private home owners too cheap to pay a legale persons wages. They are paid under the table and don't pay taxes. They are in almost every town in California.
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 16:34 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Well how the hell are they living? Their are quite a few who simply hang around in my town.
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I have no idea, although I suspect your perception of them is not entirely accurate. But you can't say that the system is so accurate that there is no way anyone who is illegal could ever be in a position to pay income tax and also say the system is so inaccurate that it hands out welfare checks to anyone who wanders into the office.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 16:32 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Garion81 wrote:
^ Where do they pay property taxes? They don't make enough money to purchase property and even if they did would be eventually caught by the IRS or the State for not paying taxes. How can a employer collect taxes on them? The SS number they gave him would be phony.
The only taxes they pay are consumer taxes and that is not enough for the state to overcome the services they use. |
Renters pay property taxes too, and I assume that the IRS is not infallible even if they did purchase a house. I have no idea how the details of the tax system work, but there are 11.6 million illegal immigrants, and I have trouble believing that every one of those jobs is under the table cash. But maybe I'm wrong.
StyLaZyn wrote:
Garion81 wrote:
^ Where do they pay property taxes? They don't make enough money to purchase property and even if they did would be eventually caught by the IRS or the State for not paying taxes. How can a employer collect taxes on them? The SS number they gave him would be phony.
The only taxes they pay are consumer taxes and that is not enough for the state to overcome the services they use. |
Property taxes are usually tied into the rent they pay. Oh wait, welfare pays for their rent, so that means you and me pay the property tax. |
If they're illegal, how would they be getting welfare?  |
Well how the hell are they living? Their are quite a few who simply hang around in my town.
Edited by StyLaZyn - July 16 2009 at 16:32
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 16:30 |
Garion81 wrote:
Even still it is the owner of the property that pays the tax whether or not he has a tennant. They are not paying property taxes. |
You are really missing the point here. And I assume that the IRS is not infallible even if they did purchase a house. I have no idea how the details of the tax system work, but there are 11.6 million illegal immigrants, and I have trouble believing that every one of those jobs is under the table cash. But maybe I'm wrong.
StyLaZyn wrote:
Garion81 wrote:
^ Where do they pay property taxes? They don't make enough money to purchase property and even if they did would be eventually caught by the IRS or the State for not paying taxes. How can a employer collect taxes on them? The SS number they gave him would be phony.
The only taxes they pay are consumer taxes and that is not enough for the state to overcome the services they use. |
Property taxes are usually tied into the rent they pay. Oh wait, welfare pays for their rent, so that means you and me pay the property tax. |
If they're illegal, how would they be getting welfare? :S
Edited by Henry Plainview - July 16 2009 at 16:32
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Garion81
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 16:30 |
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Even still it is the owner of the property that pays the tax whether or not he has a tennant. They are not paying property taxes.
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: July 16 2009 at 16:27 |
Garion81 wrote:
^ Where do they pay property taxes? They don't make enough money to purchase property and even if they did would be eventually caught by the IRS or the State for not paying taxes. How can a employer collect taxes on them? The SS number they gave him would be phony.
The only taxes they pay are consumer taxes and that is not enough for the state to overcome the services they use. |
Property taxes are usually tied into the rent they pay. Oh wait, welfare pays for their rent, so that means you and me pay the property tax.
edit: Yes I know that was a tangent. Sorry.
Edited by StyLaZyn - July 16 2009 at 16:31
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