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Ciubia ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2010 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 122 |
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I'm sorry SVS that you feel that way but yes you've been playing a very careful game thus far and I'm yet to find a way to build a case against you because of that but I can't let my vibes die down. I agree I cannot build a solid case on you thread related and that's why I'm still yet to vote for you but I do believe you're not here to help the civvie cause, even though I agree with you about Bea, think of that what you may!
And don't worry Alex, at least me and SVS will still be friends after this ![]() Vote = SVS |
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MovingPictures07 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
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Okay, let's please keep things civil here. It's absolutely awesome to have discussion and debate, and I was pleased to see there was discussion going on for this day period, but I didn't think I'd have to be saying this.
It's Mafia. It's not personal. Let's keep it that way. It's supposed to be FUN. |
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S~V~S ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 10 2010 Location: Montana Status: Offline Points: 292 |
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Well, since my sincere attempt to be friendly, a la Bea, has turned to bite me in the ass (and really, Ciubia, we're both bad? Based on.....??? I'm wondering myself "Who's Bad"~ after Night One, you kept making these little prods about me, trying to drum up suspish, but you couldn't do it because I did nothing wrong,) and Bea is going to be unable to defend because of her computer (and it is unsporting to lynch those who don't defend), I am well and screwed.
So I will stop defending here~ although again I hope it is not lost on anyone that I was not even remotely suspicious to Jon until I went for Bea, it seems to be pointless anyhow. Whoever told Jon to twist my words that way (and I can't think Bea would do that) really did him a disservice, as well as me. I did think about putting it in green, but it WAS kinda game related. But that really did kill the funny for me. I'll check back to make sure I did in fact die, but otherwise I'm gone. Have fun guys~ ![]() |
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MovingPictures07 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
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Yeah... Mafia has a tendency to do that. ![]() |
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MovingPictures07 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
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Day 6: Vote Tally (as of October 29th, 2010 9:50AM EST) 1. S~V~S- Bea 2. SaltyJon- S~V~S 3. nutella23- Bea Results (thus far): Bea 2 S~V~S 1 You have approximately 13 hours and 50 minutes to vote.
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Ciubia ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2010 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 122 |
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Wow, I really dunno what to do or how to think about all this...I have little time to follow this game right now but my honest opinnion is that infact both Bea and SVS are bad. SVS found out somehow that Bea is bad and is going for civvie cred. That's my opinion. I just dunno who is on which team and I dunno who poses the biggest thread right now but I will wait to cast my vote later on.
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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a little of column a, a little of column b... |
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Im hoping bloody orgy |
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progkidjoel ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
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With hugs? |
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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I hope this turns out how I want this to turn out
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SaltyJon ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 08 2008 Location: Location Status: Offline Points: 28772 |
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View it as normal? As I said, I just hadn't read the character descriptions well (admittedly, I was focusing more on the baddies than the civvies). Based on what I read, I didn't realize there were civvies with BTSC, and I've already conceded this fact to you.
OK, believe what you will. I know my reasoning, I've stated it, that's enough for me.
As I said in my previous post, the first several sentences did indeed seem like words of encouragement. I don't underestimate your intelligence/experience with the game though - it sure does seem to me that you've mixed encouragement/guidance with the less encouraging/guiding, more threatening last two sentences. |
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S~V~S ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 10 2010 Location: Montana Status: Offline Points: 292 |
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There is a lot of civvie BTSC, Jon. And since this is your first game, you wouldn't overlook it, you would view it as normal.
And of course Bea doesn't "need" a defender. But i can't shake the feeling that you never would have said Boo to or about me had I not called out Bea. And honestly, the only thing that interests me is that i would like to hear why you twisted my remarks about taking a chance with your suspicions into a death threat. Because you turned what was supposed to be an encouraging remark into a pretzel. Civvies don't need to twist things like that. They have the truth. |
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SaltyJon ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 08 2008 Location: Location Status: Offline Points: 28772 |
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OK, I'm back from physics with a fresh case of 2am insomnia. Here goes:
1) You're right, I overlooked the Civ BTSC - for that, I apologize. And I promise you, I overlooked it on my own - it doesn't take a seasoned pro to read over the character descriptions too quickly. ![]() 2) You say this:
but you don't deny the fact that even with the prize, you could still be a baddie/independent. I haven't denied the possibility that you won a night prize - it's still one of the options I list as the way you could have survived the night kill attempt. 3) I don't view me quoting that specific part out of the whole as "twisting your words out of context" - I only quoted the relevant points. What you've done in your reply here is taken what I said and attempted to twist it to YOUR advantage - and since you play more often, I'll trust your word that it's a "textbook baddie maneuver". Of course, you could view this rebuttal as yet another twist - I suggest that it is instead an untwisting. Even in context, they don't seem to be words of encouragement...the first sentences do (thanks for the encouragement, by the way). The last couple that I quoted seem to me a veiled threat. 4) Sorry, I'm going a bit out of order in my response here -
Remember yesterday when I already stated the possibility of you and Bea each being on a separate baddie team (or one of you being the indy even, now that I come to think of it)? That doesn't change the fact that I have more evidence which I find convincing against you than I do against her right now. If she turns out to be baddie (or if you do get lynched and turn out to NOT be a baddie, rest assured, I'll be very likely to focus in on lynching her during the next day (assuming I'm still alive by then). 5)Yet another quote:
As you say, this is a game where you play on your gut. That's where a part of my reason of voting for you comes into play - call it a gut feeling, but I get a baddie feeling coming from you as well. I know I can't convince you that I'm not trying to act as Bea's "defender" as you say - she's far too experienced at the game to need someone who's new to defend her I'd guess - but rather, an Inspector Clouseau character who might eventually end up solving the case if I don't get myself killed first. Finally, a note off topic: This thread has resulted in my longest posts on PA, apart from ZART work. ![]() |
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Watching this all while floating around in the sky is actually quite entertaining
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S~V~S ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 10 2010 Location: Montana Status: Offline Points: 292 |
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Just an FYI, this is a textbook baddie maneuver~ take something someone said, totally twist it out of context, and use it to illustrate your point. You have so totally twisted my meaning here, it astounds me. THIS is what I actually said~
In context they are well meaning words of encouragement~ telling you that you should take a chance and voice your suspicions, (even though they are suspicions against me ![]() I honestly don;t know what to say to this. ![]() |
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S~V~S ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 10 2010 Location: Montana Status: Offline Points: 292 |
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I survived a kill because I won a prize. I have no NK protection. And I believe Bea to be bad even more firmly than before~ nothing will shake this conviction on my part. But I have no case, no proof, and Beas defender has decided I must be bad because he doesn't like my way of playing the game. And let me remind you, that just as you say winning a prize doesn't mean I'm not a baddie, me being a baddie would not make Bea a civvie. And even if you wrongly lynch me to protect her, then what? She is still a baddie, and everyone will know it. Your entire case against me is something you developed totally out of whole cloth since I decided to go for Bea. I have also learned I rely too much on past play for my arguments, something i used to loathe. So after going through endless pages of posts that say NOTHING, and lots of "shredding", what I see is a Bea who is always agreeing with me. This is SO not civvie Bea. Civvie Bea, in any forum, not just HV, speaks her mind. That person isn't playing here. Civvie Bea makes shrewd and insightful points, and doesn't care who doesn't like it. I don;t see that person here either. I see bad Bea, blendy, agreeable, with no strength of conviction on her part. Civvie Bea is like a beacon of light. Baddie Bea, not so much. Her posting is blendy, her voting is blendy. She is bad, and I am sorry if you want "proof". This isn;t a smoking gun game, this is a game where you play on your gut. You give a lot of possibilities as to what else "could have happened" when i didn't die, but they are only possibilities. I am telling you it is the truth that I won a NP, and maybe I won another prize, too. All I know is I voted Bea, I would vote Bea again, and I will continue to vote Bea until either I die, or SHE addresses me and my accusations. because SHE knows what i am talking about, she knows I am not just making this up, as you seem to be implying. I would not be going after my closest friend in this manner were I not confident, because this has caused stress between us before. You can believe me 100% when i say that if i was going to go for someone randomly, to make up a case against them, it would NOT be Bea. And i would make up a better case, lol~ I admire what you are doing, Jon. And truly, I was just trying to give you some friendly advice before, not imply that I had or would target you for an NK if i even had one. I am sorry you are looking at me in such a sinister light. The vast majority of the posts I pulled are proof of your BTSC with Bea, IMO. So I ditched them, because like i told you, there is civ BTSC in this game, and just having BTSC doesn't make you bad~ just like it wouldn;t make me bad, as you seem to be implying. So that is my case; i just read Beas 107 posts, and they are blendy, with comparatively low content ratios. I didn't quote any of them, because individually they had no power. Collectively, though, they paint a picture of a Bea who isn't the crusading civvie i know Bea to be. |
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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The avant mafia!
*prepares for mind melt* |
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MovingPictures07 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
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Just going to interrupt for one post here to point out that the signups thread for Avant-Garde Mafia (which will be an absolutely unique blast) has been posted; hopefully the game will then start immediately after this one. Here's the link to the thread: link
You may now carry on with your regularly-scheduled day activities. Edit: fixed typo Edited by MovingPictures07 - October 28 2010 at 22:31 |
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S~V~S ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 10 2010 Location: Montana Status: Offline Points: 292 |
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Actually, I was giving you advice
![]() But I guess you already have all the advice you need. And why would you think I have BTSC with Nutella?? And don't forget that there is civvie BTSc in this game. Just cause someone has BTS doesn't mean they're baddies. I wounder where you would have picked up such a notion in your first game? Where there IS civvie BTSC?? In many games, if not most, civ BTSC is uncommon. But you wouldn't know that. How odd ![]() |
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