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richardh
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 02:29 | |
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lucas
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 11:34 | |
^ Terry Brown
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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richardh
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 10:57 | |
Wasn't 'Are You Sitting Comfortably?' produced by Terry Brown (or was it Peter Collins??)? On my remastered edition there is no production credit .
Anyway I know whoever it was also produced Rush around that period as well. I think I agree to some extent although I did miss that raw quality that was on the first two IQ albums.Just seemed more 'honest' and in keeping with their music which was quite emotional and aggressive at the time although I like where IQ ended up on Ever which seemed to have the best of both worlds (clean but packing a punch)
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chrijom
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 10:09 | |
well said - couldn't agree more.
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rod65
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 09:11 | |
I was about to make a similar comment, chrijom, but you beat me to it. While I actually do like Marillion quite a lot, I find IQ more interesting musically, and the Menel albums are no exception, especially when compared, as you point out, to the other music of the era. I've got no problem with 80s production sounds: I grew up in the early 80s and remember much of the music from that decade very fondly. Listening to Are You Sitting Comfortably? at the moment, actually, and thoroughly enjoying it.
One comparison that jumped to my mind while reading recent posts to this thread is with Rush albums from the mid - late 80s. These albums are also much and unfairly maligned, and for the same reasons as the Menel albums. But as you say, these were dark days for prog generally. I should point out with these albums that, even given the prog/pop orientation, the musicianship remains excellent and the overall sound very full.
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chrijom
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 08:56 | |
I think Nomzamo and Are you sitting comfortably? are great albums, yes I agree with richardh the production of that era sounds very different from the later albums but the music is still great. The other thing for me is that these two albums were like two beacons in the fog of mediocrity. Progressive music at that time was at an all time low, and as someone who didn't like Marillion (the great pretenders) who for my part were all fur coat and no knickers (but nowhere near as sexy), IQ of this period filled a much needed gap in this Prog listeners itinery - I grew up with these albums and they will always be cherished for my part - very underrated and often unfairly dismissed - great to hear fans giving them the respect they deserve
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richardh
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 03:40 | |
Over the years I'v grown quite found of Are You Sitting Comfortably? A much more mature effort in my opinion although it is borderline pop/prog rather out and out prog. But I don't mind that and perhaps a comparision could be drawn to eighties band It Bites which was also in a similar vein.
The final song on that album Nothing At All is one of my very favourite songs by anyone and a great way for Paul Menel to bow out. Love the second verse:
Love matters most wherever it comes from
We see each other when our eyes are closed
Its not so easy living out of the shadows
It would break my heart if you broke the spell
Heaven is waiting and waiting is hell
Very talented wordsmith Paul but perhaps not quite suited to the world of prog I suspect. Did an important job filling in for Pete though and deserves a lot of respect.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 16:59 | |
Old school fan here...
The Wake, Nomzamo and Are You Sitting Comfortably are my favourite albums. I lost my interest in them with Subterranea and The Seventh House.
I must say, they blew me away in the old days. Now I don't listen too much to them anymore, but sometimes I can still get excited about the three albums that I mentioned, plus I think the debut album and Ever are good.
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lucas
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 16:52 | |
Let's discuss the overlooked IQ, the Paul Menel era. Paul Menel is indeed more confident than Peter Nicholls in high notes, and his voice is certianly more original than Peter's. Anyone here ever heard 'Nomzamo', this is more AOR-oriented but it is the IQ album I return to the most often. |
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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lucas
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 16:43 | |
No, it is one of their weakest since Subterranea. Some déjà-vu in this album. I only enjoy the balads.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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rdtprog
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 14:35 | |
I have the Wake standard edition on vinyl. Could someone recommend me the special edition that came out 1 month ago. Is it worth it?
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rod65
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 13:19 | |
I've been listening mostly to the more recent stuff lately, but yes. I see your point. That is a phenomenal album all around. |
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richardh
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 01:40 | |
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Harry Hood
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 01:34 | |
Man, the "Different Towns" section of "It All Stops Here" might be one of my favorite musical moments ever.
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rod65
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 19:41 | |
How I've managed to be a member of this site and not notice an IQ appreciation thread until today is quite beyond me, but there it is...
Anyway, for me as well, these guys represent the best of 80s prog, the only rival in my mind being Marillion's Misplaced Childhood. I also find, probably like most contributors to this thread, that their more recent output has been uncompromisingly excellent. What I've been thinking about lately, though, is Paul Cook's drumming. I've noticed in a few reviews, that Paul's drumming sometimes gets slighted, but other day I was losing myself in The Seventh House, and found myself quite transported by the percussion in the instrumental break in "Guiding Light." Has anybody else out there been similarly impressed by Paul's drumming? And if so, what songs best showcase his considerable abilities?
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sigod
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 09:22 | |
I have a huge amount of time for IQ. Like many here, I grew up listening to many of the second wave prog bands like Pendragon, Marillion, Twelfth Night, Pallas, etc. All of these bands have produced something really special in their time but I think it's IQ that really captured the moment best back in the 1980s. The Wake is still one of my favoruite albums to this day.
I also have absolutely no problem with the Paul Menel era albums Nomzamo & Are You Sitting Comfortably. I like them just as much as the Pete Nicholls output.
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richardh
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 14:45 | |
Its a while since I listened to either CD but I always preferred the studio version although the live version is okay.
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 26 2010 at 09:16 | |
I am listening to the live album Subterranea: The Concert. I'm curious what people think how it sounds in comparison to the Subterranea the album.
Also, I was getting the album cover on Amazon.com to post in the What Are You Listening to Now? thread and I saw that Amazon is selling the mp3 album download for only $6.99 USD. Well worth it given that you get 19 songs for this $6.99 price. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0023GUXNS/sr=1-1/qid=1288102035/ref=sr_1_1_digr?ie=UTF8&qid=1288102035&sr=1-1
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richardh
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Posted: October 24 2010 at 04:10 | |
''The Wake'' does stand out a bit from the rest of their back catologue. I would not stop at that and would give Ever or Dark Matter a try at least before giving up on them.
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rdtprog
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Posted: October 23 2010 at 06:40 | |
You got the best cd, IQ is simply not your cup of Tea... |
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