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Points: 11415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 07:03
^ OK the badum tish should have altered me to your jesting mood perhaps. I agree that both the Clash and the Stranglers were really just brilliant rock bands whose relationship to Punk was that as a platform to launch their respective careers. The 'Guardian reading fanbase' bit I don't really get (but I haven't lived in the UK since 2000) as the sort of looney lefty egalitarian mindset hasn't been extant in Albion since the days of Derek Hatton and Ken Livingstone's GLC surely? You can't blame the paint factory for the graffiti.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 06:45
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:



Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The Cla$h... middle class rockabilly white boy ska reggae funk punk... badum tish!


I'm not sure which is worse really as both sides appear particularly inept at trashing anything. Transposing an 's' into a dollar sign seems crassly glib as an attempt to undermine what became a band's admittedly gauche left wing posturing and yes, John Mellor was the son of a diplomat but how does that undermine either his sincerity or the working class origins of his bandmates?Confused (I suspect your tongue is in the region of a cheek, location tbaWink)


I don't consider The Clash to be the epitome of the Punk Rock ethos or their knowing blend of musical styles to be typically Punk - to me they were about as convincing as Punks as The Stranglers were (love them as I do, they weren't Punk). I wasn't alluding to Strummer's middle-class heritage, their Pub Rock origins or Jones & Simonon's earlier attempts at glam rock but at their Guardian reading fan-base. Glibness abounds on the Internet but also in the after-Punk era before Post-Punk where The Clash emerged, the $-sign was merely a trite attempt at provocative humour late on a Saturday night, hence the badum tish!.
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Points: 11415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 05:50
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

People who have trashed prog come across as idiots as best or merely ignorant, if I were to be kind...

punk has been assimilated, resistance is futile...


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The Cla$h... middle class rockabilly white boy ska reggae funk punk... badum tish!


I'm not sure which is worse really as both sides appear particularly inept at trashing anything. Transposing an 's' into a dollar sign seems crassly glib as an attempt to undermine what became a band's admittedly gauche left wing posturing and yes, John Mellor was the son of a diplomat but how does that undermine either his sincerity or the working class origins of his bandmates?Confused (I suspect your tongue is in the region of a cheek, location tbaWink)




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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2014 at 20:10
People who have trashed prog come across as idiots as best or merely ignorant, if I were to be kind...

punk has been assimilated, resistance is futile...
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2014 at 18:22
Lipton's... tea for foreigners who don't like real tea... badum tish! The Cla$h... middle class rockabilly white boy ska reggae funk punk... badum tish! I'm here all week folks with a family matinée show on Saturdays, don't forget to tip your waitress and enjoy REO Speedwagon later this evening in the crystal lounge. But before I finish just a brief safety announcement from the management - if you're driving home tonight, don't forget your car...  badum tish!
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

With the passage of time memories get compressed, events from 1973 (TFTO), 1977 (SFTW) and 1980 (TW) all manage to occur during the slow birth and rapid death of Punk (197?-76). History, it seems, is written by the whiners. The World turned and Prog moved on; Punk lasted a few brief months and by the winter of 1976 was all but gone and still the World turned. Thick As A Brick was a parody, Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die! a satire, and the surrogate band behind The Wall was in on the joke.
Astute observation as usual Dean, but still a bit too serious. Perhaps a hit of tea to relax. But stay away from the Lipton, it's only for drinking. Wink And I'm not sure if  The Clash would agree with your rise and fall of punk timeline, but then I would be getting serious and I'm all out of tea right now.


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With the passage of time memories get compressed, events from 1973 (TFTO), 1977 (SFTW) and 1980 (TW) all manage to occur during the slow birth and rapid death of Punk (197?-76). History, it seems, is written by the whiners. The World turned and Prog moved on; Punk lasted a few brief months and by the winter of 1976 was all but gone and still the World turned. Thick As A Brick was a parody, Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die! a satire, and the surrogate band behind The Wall was in on the joke.
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Points: 20604 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2014 at 12:21
^It's not a serious post Mosh, just an observation of one prog fan that's lived and worked with non prog fans and their take on the genre at a specific time. Don't read more into it than what's on the page.
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Hi,
 
Sadly, I don't think you want a serious answer, do you?
 
Because, unlike many of these comments, yes I can comment. There were no "wasted" moments in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's or 00's or 10's ... it was all a worthwhile great trip through the aethers of music, regardless of anyone liking it or hating it!
Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Points: 20604 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2014 at 13:18
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:



Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

the rantings of a raving lunatic....or what happens after 10 bowls of crushed "oregano".
You seem to be quite the expert on smoking oregano. What else? Lipton tea?


Silly wabbit, Lipton tea is for drinking...sheesh
No wonder why it never worked.
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Points: 17845 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 20:14
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:



Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

the rantings of a raving lunatic....or what happens after 10 bowls of crushed "oregano".
You seem to be quite the expert on smoking oregano. What else? Lipton tea?


Silly wabbit, Lipton tea is for drinking...sheesh
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Points: 20604 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 19:17
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

the rantings of a raving lunatic....or what happens after 10 bowls of crushed "oregano".
You seem to be quite the expert on smoking oregano. What else? Lipton tea?


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the rantings of a raving lunatic....or what happens after 10 bowls of crushed "oregano".
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Points: 20604 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 18:46
Originally posted by Luna Luna wrote:

Your name isn't Bullwinkle J. Moose. It's Steve G.
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Points: 12794 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 18:42
Your name isn't Bullwinkle J. Moose. It's Steve G.
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Points: 20604 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 18:37
^These were just the innocent ramblngs of blue collar metal fans P. If I told you what real 70's era heavy metal musicians thought of prog you might need more than shrooms in order to recover.
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 11:27
Those must have been some quality shrooms, man.
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^I assume you were not at punk club. Try it out there.
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Points: 8543 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 11:20
I know yesterday I was in a massive traffic jam and I was yelling "Prog you. Get out of my mother proggin way, you proggin proghead." "Oh yeah, you want a proggin piece of me, proghole?" All I got were confused looks. Hmmmmm.
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Points: 20604 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 10:55

^I was so good looking I had to beat off the lady mooses with a stick or I had I had to club them in order to get them to go out with me.  Or something like that. B




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