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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Xonty ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 23 2013 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 1759 |
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Most people love "The Great Deceiver" here, but "Epitaph" is really up there for me. Should get more credit
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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The Nightwatch which is the Amsterdam show...was originally played on the late night radio broadcast of the "King Biscuit Flower Hour". In the 70's I had recorded it several times directly from the radio. Fripp was correct in his statements about the show being the best performance to date. When I first purchased "The Night Watch"..the only flaw being evident was the mellotron drop out during the performance of the song "The Night Watch". Short of that...the performance is completely outstanding and it is impeccable how they follow each other perfectly during the improvisations. I can't recall if it was Tommy Vance introducing each song on the original radio broadcasts of that show..but I do know that people were amazed to hear it then. Earthbound was a huge disappointment and many folks felt it was reminiscent of a hopper flushing. When it was first released..I ordered a copy from Brian Gatland in England and I was confused as to why Fripp would allow such a poor quality recording to be released at all. It did no justice for the Islands band.
I disliked Epitaph because it did not represent the talent and creativity of the 69' band. The Fillmore West was a soundboard recording that was tolerable..but the band wasn't very tight that evening and as such was an "off night". Pete Sinfield misplaced the greatest concert tape of the 69' band which was the concert at the Fillmore East. Fripp made claim to that show being the most outstanding performance of the 69' band. That alone is the only accurate and justified representation of the 69' band and it is flippin' lost forever it seems. The audience tape of the Fillmore East was discovered by Michael Giles and that features a whole of 4 tracks which is nothing but a tease. That can be found on Epitaph. U.S.A. was a decent show...although Fripp was sick on stage that night. I believe he had been vomiting from eating bad seafood. I didn't appreciate the Asbury Park concert until I heard the original stripped down version which featured David Cross instead of Eddie Jobson. Some of the collector's club releases were a mouse trap becaause they contained the same God forsaken set list and how many times can you hear it? The Great Deceiver was outstanding and I believe it's a worthwhile purchase. "Journey to the Center of the Cosmos" should have been recorded in the studio and placed on the RED album. As Fripp states during live transmission..."This is a piece we have been working on for a very long time" Bingo! Then why did it not appear on a studio album? Atlantic Records perhaps had a confrontation with the band.
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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So I must have gotten confused, and kind of forgotten how this CD's worked. I was thinking of it as 2 double albums, each one being Vol 1, and 2. However, the first double album is Volumes 1 & 2 and so on with the other one. As for the Night Watch, yeah I had kind of thought that was the one album I was still missing in order to have a nice (and sort of complete) collection of Wetton era live King Crimson. |
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Get 'em, you won't regret 'em! |
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Really, TGD and Nightwatch are equal first.
Closely followed by Ladies of the Road and Summit Studios. Not a popular edition of the band with many, but I dig them to the max. |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I really like what they did with remaster of USA. :) I've also got The Great Deceiver box, Absent Lovers. B'BOOM Official Bootleg. Also DVDs - deja VROOOM, Eyes Wide Open, Neal and Jack and Me.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7420 |
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My favorite live King Crimson was when I saw the LTIA band, sans Jamie Muir, at the Chicago Kinetic Playground on 20 April, 1973
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/king-crimson/1973/kinetic-playground-chicago-il-7bd88a84.html
The opening act was Peter Frampton. In an odd way, it worked. |
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stegor ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 23 2013 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 2054 |
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The Great Deceiver! I haven't heard it in a while since my box set got yoinked, but it is the ultimate live Fripp/Bruford/Wetton/Cross KC experience. There's a version of Talking Drum on there that is beyond amazing, the rest is merely amazing. And so many improvs. Some of the audience chatter is great too. The end of one of Cross' drawn-out violin solos is punctuated by an audible "Well that took a while to get there". Come to think of it that might have been Bruford. Seems like something he'd say.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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My favorite by far is the Great Deceiver box set....though I also like Epitaph parts 1 and 2.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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You do. ![]() Especially, Epitaph. My only complaint is with the sound quality which is quite variable (but never truly awful)...but boy do they accentuate all the positives of that early phase in KC's career. |
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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Epitaph vol. 3&4 are for completists only. The Night Watch is a must even if you already have TGD Dellinger. |
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21363 |
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I have 30 KC albums and I still need these two grrrr.
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Ian
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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The Great Deceiver (If you had to limit yourself to one...)
Absent Lovers The Night Watch Heavy ConstruKction Vroom Vroom Epitaph (And The Collectable Crimson Vol 1 which you said you had already) |
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21363 |
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Great Deceiver is definitive as far as I am concerned
I also like the following Heavy Construkction Asbury Park 74 Zoom Club 72 Philadelphia 96 Brescia 74 New Haven 01 (because I was there)
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Ian
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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I would think that Epitaph vol 1 is enough. That's the only one I got, but I checked track lists and reviews before deciding to get only vol 1, and for what I remember the tracklists were very very similar, and the sound quality on vol 2 was suposed to be much worse. As for the Wetton era concerts, I don't know "The Night Watch", but I do have "The Great Deceiver", as well as "Collectible King Crimson Vol 1", and I would give the edge to Collectible. Once again, the tracklist is very similar (though "Great Deceiver" has more CD's, so it repeasts tracks more times), and I like better most of the tracks on Collectible. |
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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Essential :
Epitaph vol. 1&2 Summit Studios '72 The Night Watch/The Great Deceiver Absent Lovers Déja Vrooom DVD Eyes Wide Open DVD Edited by Barbu - March 10 2014 at 12:58 |
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Imperial Zeppelin ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 14 2013 Location: Kuwait Status: Offline Points: 6116 |
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Either Great Deceiver or Absent Lovers.
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