What Doors songs are the most Prog?

The.Crimson.King wrote: King Only wrote: I think a lot of Morrison's problems with drugs and alcohol were a manifestation of his problems with his parents. If I remember correctly his parents strongly disapproved of his decision to join a rock band. His dad was a military guy. I remember reading somewhere that his dad often told Jim that he had no talent for music or writing. It's hard when your own family can't understand who you are and don't support your dreams. Ya, Jim's father was a Rear Admiral in the US Navy and they never saw eye-to-eye.  I remember reading that in the 1st Doors press release the 4 guys each had to fill out a press questionnaire and under "Parents" Jim said that his were dead (which of course they weren't).

humor4u1959 wrote: Some folks still haven't learned to read. I never called anyone a moron. Read it again if you must. I said that the idea that drugs inspire or make an artist more creative is a moronic idea. IT IS! How many will have to die before people finally get it? Drugs kill and destroy lives. I only reacted in a zealous manner because I was shocked by the comments. I posted a sincere statement that was factual. Morrison was messed up. And I get moronic replies? Of course, I'm going to respond. Nice, smart, or semi-smart people often say moronic things. Happens all the time. Bottom is this. I was and still am a huge Doors fan. And I'll always feel it was sad that he died from his substance abuse. End of story. If I offended anyone, I'm sure you'll get over it.

I agree wholeheartedly with the idea but abhor the way it was communicated. You have now merely reiterated that those who take a contrary view are 'moronic'
Perhaps Bill Hicks (who otherwise, I adored) was culpable in disseminating this skew-whiff notion that 'if you deplore recreational drugs, burn your record collection etc' and like yourself, I've always been dismayed by how heartily we celebrate those who have frittered away their precious talents in any creative sphere through drug abuse e.g. George Best, Paul Gascoigne in football and John Belushi and Sam Kinison in comedy etc. Maybe it's tantamount to us rubbernecking at that celebrity pile up on dawn's hi-way bleeding?.

The fact that you were shocked by the elicited comments is your issue to deal with, not ours. Factual statements do not rest on anyone's sincerity and a cerebral giant such as yourself does not need an intellectual pygmy like myself to tell you otherwise.

I think a lot of Morrison's problems with drugs and alcohol were a manifestation of his problems with his parents. If I remember correctly, his parents strongly disapproved of his decision to join a rock band. His dad was a military guy. I remember reading somewhere that his dad often told Jim that he had no talent for music or writing. It's hard when your own family can't understand who you are and don't support your dreams.

Edited by King Only - June 07 2013 at 13:07

Tom Ozric wrote: For someone to have displayed any talent that the public recognises, one must have the talent in the first place - drugs do inspire the imagination to a certain extent, but they also help certain individuals to channel this gift.  In the end, drugs do run the risk of killing this talent (not to mention the individual him/herself - every human being should know their limits.  Many don't. Jim didn't.  Everybody has talent, one just needs to discover and recognise it, much like a meditation on a self's finer points.  Meditation is for those who have patience.  Jim probably didn't have any patience. I'm sure he never intended to go the way he did.  But look at Elvis P - if drugs don't kill you, fatty foods will......

Some folks still haven't learned to read. I never called anyone a moron. Read it again if you must. I said that the idea that drugs inspire or make an artist more creative is a moronic idea. IT IS!

How many will have to die before people finally get it? Drugs kill and destroy lives.

I only reacted in a zealous manner because I was shocked by the comments. I posted a sincere statement that was factual. Morrison was messed up. And I get moronic replies? Of course, I'm going to respond. Nice, smart, or semi-smart people often say moronic things. Happens all the time.

Bottom is this. I was and still am a huge Doors fan. And I'll always feel it was sad that he died from his substance abuse. End of story. If I offended anyone, I'm sure you'll get over it.

I just love the driving energies of L.A. Woman. What a jam!!

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:   Meditation, study, effort, imagination are useful, but all may be simplified to one mandatory requisite...TALENT.

The.Crimson.King wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: I'm tired of people saying that drugs expand your mind, drugs kill man, and if it wasn't for them, we would had Jim Morrison writing lyrics for 40 or 50 years more. Jim had a great talent and wasted it. Iván George Harrison once said that LSD didn't teach him anything he wouldn't have eventually learned through meditation.  Maybe Jim just wasn't the meditating type

The.Crimson.King wrote: humor4u1959 wrote: The.Crimson.King wrote: humor4u1959 wrote: It's just sad that Morrison was so messed up.  I don't think it was sad, I think it was part of what made him...well, him.  Without being "messed-up" he wouldn't have written the words/lyrics/poems that he did.   What planet are YOU from? You don't think it's sad when a person with talent dies at age 27 from alcohol and/or drugs? And to think his demons, i.e., substance abuse, inspired him to write? You're so very wrong. Morrison was reading and writing profound things long before he got "messed up." Yes, he was messed up, like Amy Winehouse and countless others. Another posted a message like yours. Live every day like it's your last. That's moronic artist crap talk. Drugs don't make artists more creative, they kill them! Read John Densmore's book. He was the drummer in the Doors. Jim's drinking and onstage antics had the band at the end of their wits! Densmore once almost beat the crap out of Morrison after a concert he ruined. If that isn't sad, what is? Jeez! Some people. I'm from the planet where people can post an opinion different from my own without being attacked and called a moron.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 06 2013 at 12:03

humor4u1959 wrote: The.Crimson.King wrote: humor4u1959 wrote: It's just sad that Morrison was so messed up.  I don't think it was sad, I think it was part of what made him...well, him.  Without being "messed-up" he wouldn't have written the words/lyrics/poems that he did.   What planet are YOU from? You don't think it's sad when a person with talent dies at age 27 from alcohol and/or drugs? And to think his demons, i.e., substance abuse, inspired him to write? You're so very wrong. Morrison was reading and writing profound things long before he got "messed up." Yes, he was messed up, like Amy Winehouse and countless others. Another posted a message like yours. Live every day like it's your last. That's moronic artist crap talk. Drugs don't make artists more creative, they kill them! Read John Densmore's book. He was the drummer in the Doors. Jim's drinking and onstage antics had the band at the end of their wits! Densmore once almost beat the crap out of Morrison after a concert he ruined. If that isn't sad, what is? Jeez! Some people.