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Posted: April 27 2014 at 18:46
Pietro Otello Romano wrote:
Dean wrote:
I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
I do!... I don't think Doors were any good at all, on my opinion they were just a overvalued commercial band, in line with the time that were generally on an higher level than now, but as a phenomenon they were not better than U2 or Michael Jackson. They are the shame of Prog Archives. I am sorry for the Doors fan but on my opinion they shouldn't be here at all!
Bzuh? "Overvalued commercial band"? It's well past April Fool's Day, so I have to assume you're being serious, if not a bit depleted in cognitive ability. The Doors certainly had hit singles, but I would suggest that they were not at all "commercial" in either composition, lyrics or philosophy. Far from it. If anything, they spurned greater commercial success.
For instance, Jim Morrison refused to censor the song "Light My Fire" on the Ed Sullivan Show, and they were never invited back again. Even the Rolling Stones, the supposed bad boys of rock, backed down and changed the lyrics of "Let's Spend the Night Together" for the Sullivan Show due to its enormous popularity. But Morrison did not care.
Definitely proto-prog, and certainly more adventurous than half the bands labeled prog.
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 17:46
The Doors were one of the most innovative and experimental bands of late 60s, so they were definitely some kind of protoype of prog. Pretty much close to what we call prog actually, way closer than The Beatles.
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 16:57
Pietro Otello Romano wrote:
Dean wrote:
I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
I do!... I don't think Doors were any good at all, on my opinion they were just a overvalued commercial band, in line with the time that were generally on an higher level than now, but as a phenomenon they were not better than U2 or Michael Jackson. They are the shame of Prog Archives. I am sorry for the Doors fan but on my opinion they shouldn't be here at all!
Sorry, but opinion and preference is irrelevant, they can be the worse band in the whole world ever for all it matters. We don't judge the quality of the artist when including them in the archive.
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 16:25
Dean wrote:
I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
I do!... I don't think Doors were any good at all, on my opinion they were just a overvalued commercial band, in line with the time that were generally on an higher level than now, but as a phenomenon they were not better than U2 or Michael Jackson. They are the shame of Prog Archives. I am sorry for the Doors fan but on my opinion they shouldn't be here at all!
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Posted: May 20 2013 at 14:15
The Doors did some great tracks.
Love how their music was used at the beginning of the "Apocalypse Now" movie.
I read the drummer John Densmore's autobiography "Riders On The Storm", a very interesting book that has a lot of information about the band without the typical sensationalism.
I've heard that the recent documentary DVD "When You're Strange" is very good but I haven't had a chance to see it yet.
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Posted: May 19 2013 at 23:40
smartpatrol wrote:
Progressive? Yes. Prog? No.
I agree.
The Doors weren't for example Symphonic rock or Canterbury rock, but they were progressive rock band.
Also, I agree that the term 'prog' doesn't mean anymore a short of progressive rock only. Maybe it's not fair but that's the reality. At present day, Prog is a genre with a number of 'retro' bands who are playing recycled music of '70s symphonic rock and we call them Symphonic Prog and / or Neo Prog because those bands are able to recycle 70s symphonic rock clishes more or less gracefuly, but there's no way to recycle an essential progressive band from '60s - The Doors.
EDIT: I agree with NotAProgHead that The Doors weren't Psychedelic and / or Acid Rock band.
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Posted: May 19 2013 at 22:17
To return to the original questions: yes, they were beyond a doubt progressive, and I'll let it go at that without getting into all the progressive/prog hair-splitting.
Among their most progressive songs, IMO:
Break on Through
Strange Days
The End
The Crystal Ship
The Unknown Soldier
Not to Touch the Earth
Spanish Caravan
The Soft Parade
Light My Fire
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Posted: May 19 2013 at 03:57
no.
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Posted: May 19 2013 at 00:36
tamijo wrote:
I like them a lot, that's enough for me. Labels are something the industri needs for promotion, reviewers for categorization. As I listener it doesn't matter.
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Posted: May 18 2013 at 19:37
Tom Ozric wrote:
Dean wrote:
I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
Why ask the question then - if they are Proto-Prog, then one considers them 'Progressive', no ?? - just before the fact.......
Dunno, don't ask me I only work here. People seem to like asking redundant questions. We get that a lot. Would you believe we've even had wet behind the ears whipper-snappers questioning whether Pink Floyd is Prog?
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Pietro Otello Romano wrote:
I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
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