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SteveG
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Posted: May 03 2015 at 12:29 |
The last JT album that featured Anderson with vocals intact was the dreaded Under Wraps album from 1982. After that, he reportedly blew out his vocal chords and, sadly, never recovered his voice.
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Rednight
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Posted: May 03 2015 at 11:40 |
It happens to many of the great ones: Sinatra, Anderson, Gabriel, Lake, etc. Vocal chords age, also. Jon Anderson seems the most immune. Even though it was 14 years ago, saw him on the Magnification tour, and he sang like the angel he always sounded like. Not a missed note.
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makesMusic
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Posted: May 02 2015 at 11:45 |
WARNING! BORING OLD MUSICIAN POST! IA's voice started to lose it's top end (and to be fair-and I do love Tull-Ian never had a large vocal range anyway. Just about two octaves, and he (almost) never sang in his lowest octave-(E below middle C to e just above mid.C (written, not actual pitch)) around Stormwatch. He encountered massive throat problems (due to excessive smoking and poor breath control-remember breath control from singing and breath control from playing flute are two different techniques) during the Under Wraps tour and never recovered. It worsened on the Crest Of A Knave tour, and when I saw them on th Rock Island tour his voice was pretty thin...The last time I saw them was in the late '90s (I think...early aughts, maybe?) On a double bill with ELP...and it was a shock...IA could no longer hold any note for more than a few seconds. Mostly rewritten instrumental versions of songs with a LOT of (unrecognizable) flute parts and very little vocals. Then there was Keith Emerson's 2 finger+thumb only keyboard playing, and Greg Lake's voice made IA (now, yet) sound like Tony Bennett ...but that's another topic...
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saber4x
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Posted: April 02 2014 at 14:20 |
I think part of the problem is he doesn't have enough WIND from smoking.
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progbethyname
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Posted: April 20 2013 at 12:10 |
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
A good diet and healthy living habits really help keep a singing voice intact for many, many years. Some people are blessed with an amazing voice that not only sounds amazing, but continues to do so for decades. Unfortunately, not all singers are this lucky, so if they pursue the life of heavy drinking and/or smoking, there are great risks down the road. I remember reading an article/interview with James LaBrie of Dream Theater on this topic, and him explaining what he does to keep his voice in top shape.As for what is going on with Ian Anderson's voice, I haven't a clue. I haven't listened to anything he's sung after the early 90's studio stuff. If he is/was a heavy chain smoker as some have stated here, than I don't find it at all surprising that lifestyle has come back to bite him.
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James LaBrie is a huge model of consistancy for my ears. I hear he drinks alkaline solutions to sooth his throat! Pretty interesting. He is one of my gods for sure. Really like Ray Alder as well. His voice has really matured nicely over the years. :)
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 20 2013 at 10:52 |
icmrocha wrote:
I've always thought that Ian's voice, from 87 until recently, suffered, more because of his breathing than his actual singing (not sure if I made myself clear here...)
Listen to Locomotive Breath Live, for instance (on recent tours); It looks like he's having troubles catching his breath..
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Breath management is pretty fundamental to singing and a singer would generally regard singing as an extension of proper breathing. I would have to listen to that to understand his exact problems but if a singer's voice is not co-operating, he might try to power through his attack. That only adds to the strain and consumes a lot of breath, leading to panting or inability to hold back breath to complete the vocal phrase. EDIT: I just found a clip from 2007 and yes he sounds like he's breathing too heavily to sing but that effect comes from a weakened voice. The singer tries to push it harder to get a powerful tone and sounds strained in the process. If Ian Anderson had general breathing problems, he would struggle to play the flute. Instead, he actually plays the flute better here than in some 70s performances I have come across.
Edited by rogerthat - April 20 2013 at 10:56
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Ytse_Jam
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Posted: April 20 2013 at 10:41 |
I was at the TAAB2 tour too, and his voice was quite weak actually, he couldn't sing almost any high pitched note, but he's still a great flute player and entertainer...
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Dellinger
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Posted: April 19 2013 at 18:06 |
Even though his voice hasn't been the same, I can't say it bothers me much on his latest live albums either. I got the Live at Montreux and Living with the past (or don't remember exactly the name, but it's the 90's 00's live album with songs from shows from this two decades). As a matter of fact, I like many of the songs on this albums much better than the 70's versions... mainly because flute and guitar are so much cooler, and perhaps in some cases even the drums sounding kind of harder and louder helps a bit too (though surely there are many fans of the 70's drummers on Tull that wouldn't agree with me).
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icmrocha
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Posted: April 19 2013 at 15:35 |
I've always thought that Ian's voice, from 87 until recently, suffered, more because of his breathing than his actual singing (not sure if I made myself clear here...) Listen to Locomotive Breath Live, for instance (on recent tours); It looks like he's having troubles catching his breath..
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Evolver
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Posted: April 19 2013 at 14:30 |
I saw Tull many times, from the mid seventies to the J-Tull Dot Com tour. While his voice was deteriorating noticably through the years, it wasn't until the Roots To Branches tour that his straining to hit high notes became painful to watch.
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verslibre
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Posted: April 19 2013 at 13:33 |
I remember Ian's voice was fairly coarse (not hoarse) sounding on the Rock Island tour.
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infocat
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Posted: April 18 2013 at 23:06 |
John Wetton's voice seems to be better than ever. (Can't say the same for his songwriting, though.)
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 18 2013 at 19:57 |
Lizzy wrote:
I know he had a throat surgery around the Crest of a Knave era, but he might have had another one around Heavy Horses, because he did have serious throat issues back then as well.
I would blame a lot of his voice changes (he's the only singer I can think of at the moment who sounds different on every single album he's on) on the fact that he was a chain smoker, and his vocal chords possibly being more sensitive than others'. But these are mere speculations, of course.
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Quite possible, because that's the first album on which his voice sounded sort of hoarse/croaky to me. If he was a chain smoker, it was probably inevitable.
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Metalmarsh89
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Posted: April 18 2013 at 14:39 |
A good diet and healthy living habits really help keep a singing voice intact for many, many years. Some people are blessed with an amazing voice that not only sounds amazing, but continues to do so for decades. Unfortunately, not all singers are this lucky, so if they pursue the life of heavy drinking and/or smoking, there are great risks down the road. I remember reading an article/interview with James LaBrie of Dream Theater on this topic, and him explaining what he does to keep his voice in top shape.
As for what is going on with Ian Anderson's voice, I haven't a clue. I haven't listened to anything he's sung after the early 90's studio stuff. If he is/was a heavy chain smoker as some have stated here, than I don't find it at all surprising that lifestyle has come back to bite him.
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progbethyname
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Posted: April 18 2013 at 10:43 |
Has their been some degeneration in awesomeness in Mr. Anderson's voice?? I've not heard him of late, so let me know dear prog brothers and sisters. :)
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twseel
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Posted: April 18 2013 at 10:37 |
Might be a good reason for him to start making instrumental music
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Posted: April 18 2013 at 10:15 |
I suspect old age may have something to do with it as well, the same as Dylan, McCartney etc.
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Barbu
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Posted: April 18 2013 at 10:12 |
Saw Tull live five or six times (mid'90-mid'00) and I really can't complain about it (is it the same guy who sang on Aqualung?). He gave its best each and everytime I saw them.
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 18 2013 at 09:10 |
I saw Tull a few years back and his voice was quite bad. Still plays a mean flute though.. It was a great show otherwise.
His voice was showing some strain in the 80's. They supported Marillion at a big open air show at Milton Keynes (1985/86?) I remember recording Tulls set off the radio and thinking that his voice was pretty bad back then, on some of the songs.
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Posted: April 18 2013 at 09:05 |
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