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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2013 at 23:30
I remember years ago in an interview posted on this very website, Swilson stated that he didn't care for the prog label and that he made what he called "porcupine tree music".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2013 at 00:39
Regardless of OP's insincere and shallow behaviour, he's let me know Steven Wilson, an unknown artist for me. No doubt about it. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 18:30
Originally posted by sukmytoe sukmytoe wrote:

Hey peeps. I kind of lost my old password and my email address has changed. The old one I have no access to - so I'm an old newbie Smile . Having read back I see that the originator of this thread was kind of argumentative but was the only option to ban him for a month? I see a potential language barrier problem, not necessarily an over the top, argumentative person, who could perhaps have been spoken to via private messaging as I was by Rushfan many many moons ago when I took umbrage to some thing, namely the non inclusion of Stratovarius here on Progarchives in any form. Anyways, it's good to be able to post again and maybe a fresh start will revitalise me regarding the forums and the album reviews.
I can reset your password Dave. We can't permit you to have two accounts and two sets of reviews even if you have lost your old email address.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 15:33
Hey peeps. I kind of lost my old password and my email address has changed. The old one I have no access to - so I'm an old newbie Smile . Having read back I see that the originator of this thread was kind of argumentative but was the only option to ban him for a month? I see a potential language barrier problem, not necessarily an over the top, argumentative person, who could perhaps have been spoken to via private messaging as I was by Rushfan many many moons ago when I took umbrage to some thing, namely the non inclusion of Stratovarius here on Progarchives in any form. Anyways, it's good to be able to post again and maybe a fresh start will revitalise me regarding the forums and the album reviews.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 15:02
I never cared for Genesis at all until I heard the Gabriel stuff.  Oddly enough, it was getting in to that stuff that caused me to have a more balanced view of their later, pop material.  I still don't care for it for the most part (with Home By The Sea, Domino, and a couple others of that ilk being exceptions), but can at least appreciate that they were pretty much a pop based band from the beginning (the melodies were what made them great, whether in pop context or prog context).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 13:40
Genesis at it's most commercially sucessful would still throw the occasional bone to the old prog fans.  I'll never forgive them for Misunderstanding, though. (it really was some kind of mistake) LOL  But hey, before I got into their old prog stuff I was enjoying Follow You, Follow Me on the radio.  I do love the much maligned Who Dunnit?  The band at its silliest best.


Edited by Slartibartfast - March 18 2013 at 13:42
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 10:40
You know though, not to turn this into yet another Genesis discussion, but in some ways Genesis has always been a pop band.  In fact, I do remember one of the members (Peter maybe) said that very same thing.  It's just in 1972, 22-minute, multi-part songs were popular.   So one could say that Genesis was always a pop band and they didn't really change, just the definition of pop music changed.   
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 10:32
Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Genesis after Gabriel and Hackett was not a prog band it was a sucessful pop act


Burning Rope
The Lady Lies
Duke's Travels
Dodo/Lurker
Home By The Sea/Second
Tonight, Tonight, Tonight
Domino
The Brazilian
Do The Neurotic
Feeding The Fire
Driving The Last Spike
Fading Lights
Dreaming While You Sleep
On The Shoreline

To name a few.


look for the genre mentioned for each album:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/invisible-touch-mw0000190104
http://www.allmusic.com/album/we-cant-dance-mw0000269602
http://www.allmusic.com/album/duke-mw0000189985
http://www.allmusic.com/album/abacab-mw0000650185
http://www.allmusic.com/album/genesis-mw0000650186
or look for them at last.fm:
http://www.last.fm/music/Genesis/We+Can%27t+Dance
read the bio:
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Genesis

or any other site or music community , even you can ask a kid in a kindergarten!

or (the best way i suggest) you can simply listen to them and see if you can recognise any difference between Gabriel years or after that!



Well, since the OP has been banned, I'm not sure if this is worth posting but.............................

I couldn't help but notice that ALL Genesis albums are listed as "pop/rock", under "genre" in allmusic, making this list of links basically useless.  Allmusic, however, also lists "styles" under genre, which is more specific for each album.  I think a system like that has been suggested here more than once, but would be a lot of work to set up initially and make take away from the focus of the site, which is obviously progressive rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 09:14
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

ow! is that an insult?!!LOL i never knew! LOL
im so sorry!! i appologise everyone i insulted, you all can make up your minds and you dont need any sites or web pages
That is the most insincere and shallow appology I have ever seen. Please find yourself subject to a free one month suspension of your account while you reconsider your behaviour and conduct here.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 08:54
Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

I like this "free suspension" thing. It's like a sales promotion: "Submit three insulting remarks and get a free ban for a month".
errata: Ignore a warning, continue to be insulting and get a free ban for a month.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 08:51
I like this "free suspension" thing. It's like a sales promotion: "Submit three insulting remarks and get a free ban for a month".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 08:43
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

ow! is that an insult?!!LOL i never knew! LOL
im so sorry!! i appologise everyone i insulted, you all can make up your minds and you dont need any sites or web pages
That is the most insincere and shallow appology I have ever seen. Please find yourself subject to a free one month suspension of your account while you reconsider your behaviour and conduct here.
 
 
LOL  I knew it was only a matter of time. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 08:40
Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

LOL 

Is this a ROFL or TAA (throwing a tantrum) smiley? JK
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 08:40
Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

ow! is that an insult?!!LOL i never knew! LOL
im so sorry!! i appologise everyone i insulted, you all can make up your minds and you dont need any sites or web pages
That is the most insincere and shallow appology I have ever seen. Please find yourself subject to a free one month suspension of your account while you reconsider your behaviour and conduct here.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 08:37
I'm disappointed. Back in the early days this topic would have been closed by page 3. 

Edited by Kotro - March 18 2013 at 13:35
Bigger on the inside.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 08:36
ow! is that an insult?!!LOL i never knew! LOL
im so sorry!! i appologise everyone i insulted, you all can make up your minds and you dont need any sites or web pages
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 08:31
Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Genesis after Gabriel and Hackett was not a prog band it was a sucessful pop act


Burning Rope
The Lady Lies
Duke's Travels
Dodo/Lurker
Home By The Sea/Second
Tonight, Tonight, Tonight
Domino
The Brazilian
Do The Neurotic
Feeding The Fire
Driving The Last Spike
Fading Lights
Dreaming While You Sleep
On The Shoreline

To name a few.


look for the genre mentioned for each album:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/invisible-touch-mw0000190104
http://www.allmusic.com/album/we-cant-dance-mw0000269602
http://www.allmusic.com/album/duke-mw0000189985
http://www.allmusic.com/album/abacab-mw0000650185
http://www.allmusic.com/album/genesis-mw0000650186
or look for them at last.fm:
http://www.last.fm/music/Genesis/We+Can%27t+Dance
read the bio:
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Genesis

or any other site or music community , even you can ask a kid in a kindergarten!

or (the best way i suggest) you can simply listen to them and see if you can recognise any difference between Gabriel years or after that!


You've been reading "How To Win Friends and Influence People", haven't you? Wink

Obviously they were different after Gabriel left and then even more different after Hackett left, but to dismiss them outright as a pop band after Hackett left ignores the fact that they still made quality prog music, albeit they also threw in good doses of pop on their later albums (some of that pop was quite good btw).  And, I don't base my musical knowledge on how allmusic or last.fm classifies something. 

maybe you should sometimes check out other web pages on net rather just base your knowledge on Progarchives

Maybe you should stop insulting people.

stop accusing me of insults , i never did, i just respond people as same as they approach me, but i think the problem is opposite views are not accepted here

The insult is  you think he cannot make up his own mind about music and has to guided by a music site, as you do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 08:24
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Genesis after Gabriel and Hackett was not a prog band it was a sucessful pop act


Burning Rope
The Lady Lies
Duke's Travels
Dodo/Lurker
Home By The Sea/Second
Tonight, Tonight, Tonight
Domino
The Brazilian
Do The Neurotic
Feeding The Fire
Driving The Last Spike
Fading Lights
Dreaming While You Sleep
On The Shoreline

To name a few.


look for the genre mentioned for each album:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/invisible-touch-mw0000190104
http://www.allmusic.com/album/we-cant-dance-mw0000269602
http://www.allmusic.com/album/duke-mw0000189985
http://www.allmusic.com/album/abacab-mw0000650185
http://www.allmusic.com/album/genesis-mw0000650186
or look for them at last.fm:
http://www.last.fm/music/Genesis/We+Can%27t+Dance
read the bio:
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Genesis

or any other site or music community , even you can ask a kid in a kindergarten!

or (the best way i suggest) you can simply listen to them and see if you can recognise any difference between Gabriel years or after that!


You've been reading "How To Win Friends and Influence People", haven't you? Wink

Obviously they were different after Gabriel left and then even more different after Hackett left, but to dismiss them outright as a pop band after Hackett left ignores the fact that they still made quality prog music, albeit they also threw in good doses of pop on their later albums (some of that pop was quite good btw).  And, I don't base my musical knowledge on how allmusic or last.fm classifies something. 

maybe you should sometimes check out other web pages on net rather just base your knowledge on Progarchives

Maybe you should stop insulting people.

stop accusing me of insults , i never did, i just respond people as same as they approach me, but i think the problem is opposite views are not accepted here
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 08:21
and about that that book never heard of it but if you have it i would be happy to read it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 08:20
Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by sorcerer kermes sorcerer kermes wrote:

Genesis after Gabriel and Hackett was not a prog band it was a sucessful pop act


Burning Rope
The Lady Lies
Duke's Travels
Dodo/Lurker
Home By The Sea/Second
Tonight, Tonight, Tonight
Domino
The Brazilian
Do The Neurotic
Feeding The Fire
Driving The Last Spike
Fading Lights
Dreaming While You Sleep
On The Shoreline

To name a few.


look for the genre mentioned for each album:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/invisible-touch-mw0000190104
http://www.allmusic.com/album/we-cant-dance-mw0000269602
http://www.allmusic.com/album/duke-mw0000189985
http://www.allmusic.com/album/abacab-mw0000650185
http://www.allmusic.com/album/genesis-mw0000650186
or look for them at last.fm:
http://www.last.fm/music/Genesis/We+Can%27t+Dance
read the bio:
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Genesis

or any other site or music community , even you can ask a kid in a kindergarten!

or (the best way i suggest) you can simply listen to them and see if you can recognise any difference between Gabriel years or after that!


You've been reading "How To Win Friends and Influence People", haven't you? Wink

Obviously they were different after Gabriel left and then even more different after Hackett left, but to dismiss them outright as a pop band after Hackett left ignores the fact that they still made quality prog music, albeit they also threw in good doses of pop on their later albums (some of that pop was quite good btw).  And, I don't base my musical knowledge on how allmusic or last.fm classifies something. 

maybe you should sometimes check out other web pages on net rather just base your knowledge on Progarchives

Maybe you should stop insulting people.
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