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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 17:36 | ||||
^I never heard this Israel thing. Do you have any info?
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eldridge
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 15:50 | ||||
Then why have you responded at all? I ask you, or anyone else, to refute anything that I've said.
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Hercules
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 15:34 | ||||
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eldridge
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 14:21 | ||||
@Timothy Leary, I just checked the racial demographics for Lilliwaup, WA. It is 85.10% white, 0.21% black, 7.30% American Indian, 0.62% Asian, and 6.37% Hispanic. This proves the hypocrisy of white liberals. It diverstiy is so wonderful, why do you live in a lily-white community? You experience virtually no diversity at all. Why not buy a house in the black community? Detroit has really cheap real estate nowadays.
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eldridge
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 14:12 | ||||
For anyone who is interested in what I have to say, I invite you here, www.amren.com
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eldridge
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 14:08 | ||||
What have I said that is "warped"? Can someone refute one thing that I've said. All people have done is call me names, "racist", "supremacist". Calling someone names is a graceless way of admitting you have lost the argument.
Why do you use racial epithets like "hillbillies" in describing the Appalachian people?
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timothy leary
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: January 09 2013 at 14:01 | ||||
Hey, it is your topic and you can name it whatever you want. I certainly do not side with Eldridge's views but I am old enough to know the more you respond to him the more opportunity he has to deliver his warped message. Sometimes we write words and they are misunderstood. For instance, when i wrote the blues grew up alongside country music I started getting feedback about how people did not like country music. I was not referring to this modern country western drivel which we have today. I should have been more specific, of course they might not like old country music either. Both the blues and old country music came out of poverty. Old country music was the music of sharecroppers and Appalachian hillbillies, not what it has become today in country western music. Eldridge has never learned that "union differentiates".
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 13:57 | ||||
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eldridge
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 13:53 | ||||
Would that be me by any chance? Can you name one thing I've said that was "racist"?
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jude111
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 13:47 | ||||
Yes, there's a lot of misunderstanding here about why I named the topic "Anglo-American prog." Sorry for the confusion, perhaps I should've worded it better. The reason I named it thusly: I wanted to concentrate on prog coming from the USA and England. I *know* that prog is international, and there are many great prog bands all over Europe, South America, and Asia. What I found curious, however, was the lack of black involvement in prog music **IN THE USA and (to a lesser extent) the UK**, given how ubiquitous blacks were in popular music during prog's heyday in the 60s and 70s in every other conceivable genre, including funk, r&b, soul, jazz, blues, pop, disco, and even rock (e.g. Hendrix, Sly & Family Stone, Love, Thin Lizzy, etc.). Edited by jude111 - January 09 2013 at 13:50 |
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 13:38 | ||||
People should say what they mean. It came as no surprise to me when a racist chimed right in on the thread.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 13:30 | ||||
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 13:27 | ||||
I just wondered why it was Anglo American as opposed to Anglo in general. Americans are not the only 'Anglos" playing prog music.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 12:57 | ||||
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 09 2013 at 12:59 |
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moshkito
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 10:58 | ||||
And one other person had an even bigger impact on this ... and he was far more progressive in his area than most ... but we would never consider him there, for those two albums, at least!
Goes like this in my early days of seeing black artists:
Chuck Berry -- (DJ's Madison) 95% black audience
Little Richard -- (DJ's Madison) 95% black audience
Earth Wind and Fire -- Santa Monica Civic -- 90% black audience
Blue Note All Stars -- in LA -- 100% black audience
Oscar Peterson -- in LA -- 100% black audience
Charles Musselwhite -- in SF -- 90% black audience
Mississipi Charles Bevel -- in Santa Barbara -- 90% black audience
Stevie Wonder -- Santa Monica Civic -- 95% black audience (like 72 or 73)
James Brown -- Santa Barbara -- 95% black audience
Michael Jackson (Bad Tour) - LA - 50% black audience
When it came to the "mixing" and getting people together, there is one person mentioned here that is never given that credit or appreciated for some of his work. Stevie Wonder, for some reason, was not as strong in the audience department as Michael was ... but it shows you ... that even without advertising ... some of these folks went to see their artists ... but it also showed a separation that is ... still visible.
It bothers me that when I went to see YES, the audience was 99% white. And when I saw Pink Floyd in 1972, it was 95% white. And when I saw it last year ... it was 90% white ... which is an improvement from 30 years ago ... I guess.
All in all, the day that ALL MUSIC BECOMES IMPORTANT, AND NOT THE RACE OR COLOR, is the day that we will ALL OF US, be color blind.
Sadly, when you look at the world and even some religious groups wanting to go their own separatist way ... I am not feeling too positive that the integration will happen ... and that we will hear some more mixes and far out music.
Which is really sad ... because a label like ECM has so many "blacks" ... but no one in America enjoys listening to them ... it's much easier to listen to the much more traditional "Blue Note" stuff and not anything else. And "Blue Note" has not, and probably never will, release the stuff that is not "traditional" that they think will confuse the fans about the artistry involved. A lot of it was experimental, free form and played far longer than 5 minutes -- which we are not hearing ... thus, we will not have a better, and more comprehensive, sense of history of music in America.
Again, America is about 4 or 5 countries, and some of them do not have the respect of others and vice versa ... and that means that it is really hard to have one area appreciate another, unless the media can get a top ten out of it ... so everyone thinks it's good!
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Kati
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 10:30 | ||||
Cooee!!!! All of you maybe it's because African-American's are smarter and make a whole lot of money with rap/ RnB etc, meanwhile skilled musicians specifically in the prog industry can't even afford to fund their own cd's, they hold a daytime job to support their families, while often getting a lot of critique from reviewers philosophizing how the artist should play their own music and above all also having a hard time to break into this industry just to be heard because many progfans only take notice of big name bands.
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moshkito
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 10:15 | ||||
And down right xenophobic and ethnocentric!
As I say ... the yanks and brits invented the world ... and the rest? ... no one noticed because they had no media or tv's or radio's ... !!!
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eldridge
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 09:06 | ||||
When most people are free to choose who they associate with, they choose people like themselves. If diversity were a source of strength, people would seek it out naturally. They don't. It is only within the past 50 years or so that diversity, all of a sudden, became a great source of strength. The Japanese don't like diversity and have an immigration policy which reflects that. I don't here anybody seeing Japan needs to import more Sikhs, Guatamalans etc. Israel kicked out hundreds of blacks a few months ago with nary a peep from anyone. "Israel is for the white man" said a high Israeli official. Why is it okay for Israel to do that? A few months, Mexico kicked out a number of illegal Central Americans, saying "Mexico is for Mexicans". So the Japanese are yellow supremacists, The Israelis are Jewish supremacists and Mexicans are brown supremacists. You say I am a white supremacist. What's the difference between my views and the above examples? It is white countries, and only white countries, which are forced to accept diversity, and ultimately the displacement of white people themselves. |
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Pietro Otello Romano
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 08:25 | ||||
Frankly I haven't red all the post of this topic, and maybe I am writing nothing new about the topic, but I am living in London, in a multiethnical society; several blacks are among my friends and/or aquaintances, and none of them like prog music, and by the way I dislike most of the black music too. Maybe is just the way that the two ethnic group approach music. I quote in advance that I have totally not clues to how to play an instrument at all, and so I am not fashinated by incredible skills and virtuosism. I think that the way a black compose is basically more focussed on the instruments, and on the contrary a white composer is more focussed on the composition, that have its roots in the idea, in other words, a black works in order to get a song from something he/she got playng with the instruments, while a white, must works on the idea he got on his mind in order to arrange the instruments for the song.
Probably is more a feeling than even an opinion, but is just the feeling I got... |
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Hercules
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Posted: January 09 2013 at 07:39 | ||||
No - it's racism that causes tension and hostility. Racial diversity can happen quite happily so long as people accept everyone as a human being and forget where they came from.
And I'm afraid some of your comments suggest that you have white supremacist views which I wholly disassociate myself from.
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