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 Posted: October 19 2016 at 05:45 |
^^ The solo guitar of To Be Over is one of the reasons I'm big fan of Howe. One of the best solos of prog. If you want fusion, listen to fusion, Yes is not Fusion. Relayer is not fusion. . Relayer is the Opposite of fusion, itīs hermetic. There's barelly place for fusion in Yes, and specially in Relayer. Relayer is not free form, but structured hermetic compositions. . I like fusion sometimes, but itīs like "listen to my improvising: forty minutes of something I could do for 7 days without stopping" - itīs like smelling the musician farts.
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 02:22 |
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Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
chopper wrote:
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But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live. |
I didn' know that version of Sound Chaser ,only the bootlegs ones, fenomenal!!! I've never paid attention to that box. Future Times, America, Sound Chaser, We can fly from here. Hidden treasure, for me. Thanks  
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them. |
Yes... This is so funny. I remember vividly the first time I heard relayer a very very long time ago. After a few minutes I just wanted to skip it... it was so booooring felt like an half hour... Suddenly all changed. The Soon section silently sneaked and it made my eye brown rise because it was the anti-thesis to everything just heard. It was music. Really weird feeling. But I hadnīt hear nothing yet... Second side... I had hope. I truly hoped that they will find melody again maybe thereīs something great Yes music still . After a minute I just wanted to to skip the damn thing it really was bloody awful. They had totally lost their thing: melody and harmony, and in particular singing harmonies. It was impossible to believe that this band had recorded tunes like "Time and a World", "Astral Traveller", "Roundabout", "America" (incredibly beautiful version of Paul Simon/Art Gartfunkel song)... and cha cha cha .. I just bursted into laughter  Did they try to sound angry (grin). Well, that does not fit them at all ! Last tune is nothing but prolonged pop Yes song, actually the dullest they have ever done (so far). Nothing progressive, on the contrary. I really had to struggle to listen it all. How could they sank into this crap will remain a mystery to me. |
To be Over... that one is a rather frustrating one for me. The main melody is really wonderful... perhaps one of the most beautiful ones the band has created... but it really goes over-long and becomes dull and ruined. There's a solo version by Howe in one of his albums, all instrumental and shorter (barely 5 min), with some backing band, but focused on his guitar. He has also played it with Yes as his solo spot, only him with his acoustic guitar... both versions are really wonderful. I only wish the band had done a version of this song when they did their all acoustic songs in the middle of the 00's, that one could have been the definite version of the song, but as it is, I'll stay with the intrumental versions from Howe. |
Why waste your time anymore with that filler? Itīs boring because Howe had run out of ideas already. That album shows his limitation as a composer (Iīm not sure but the damn album to my senses sounds just Howeīs pointless ramblings accompanied by Patrick Moraz) and particularly as guitarist because he simply cannot play jazz/rock fusion decently. Relayer is practically noise, with the exception of the Soon section, of course. There was/are tens of better musicians/players in that field already. Total lack of (constructive) melody and harmony, with added very strangely sounding cheap studio effects What the heck was master engineer Eddie Offord thinking or was he thinking anything really. just play with the faders ? They tried to copy themselves, that CttE format for third time, and they failed miserably. In everything.
Time to move on. Iīm sure you like King Crimson, Arti + Mestieri etc. Listen to true musicians and virtuosity and intelligent structures in fusion (jazz/rock) instead. Life is short man.
Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - October 21 2016 at 03:59
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Posted: October 17 2016 at 04:49 |
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Now, saying that Yes kept songs short on Relayer is just a joke. |
To Be Over has dozens os sections and ideas. . Tangerine Dream, for instance, make one complete album with half an idea, or an idea and a half. They just make the idea last 40 minutes, with many "electronic landscapes" . Tangerine Dream and groups alike would release albuns for a decade if they had so many ideas as Yes in Relayer. If they had as much ideas as TFTO, they would probably release some 20 albuns. . The first album could be even double, with hypnoctic gregorian chants - as the introduction os Revealing Science of God, that lasts somee 3 minutes in the hands of Yes
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Posted: October 16 2016 at 21:02 |
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Now, saying that Yes kept songs short on Relayer is just a joke.
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Posted: October 16 2016 at 11:37 |
One can't argument about taste. But I love Relayer. All of three songs. To Be Over for me is the best. Such a trip -- it should last 20 minutes. . The only problem with Relayer is that it could have been a double album in my opinion- "Gates" should last 40 minutes & "Sound" and "To be Over" 20 minutes each. So many great ideas in such a short time. . Maybe it happened after "prima donna" reviewers of that time criticized TFTO, and maybe Yes - what a pity - listened those reviewers, and decided to make their great ideas short, not to hurt prima-donna-reviwer's 3-minutes-sensibility.
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Posted: October 15 2016 at 21:33 |
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
chopper wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live. |
I didn' know that version of Sound Chaser ,only the bootlegs ones, fenomenal!!! I've never paid attention to that box. Future Times, America, Sound Chaser, We can fly from here. Hidden treasure, for me. Thanks
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them. |
Yes... This is so funny. I remember vividly the first time I heard relayer a very very long time ago. After a few minutes I just wanted to skip it... it was so booooring felt like an half hour... Suddenly all changed. The Soon section silently sneaked and it made my eye brown rise because it was the anti-thesis to everything just heard. It was music. Really weird feeling. But I hadnīt hear nothing yet... Second side... I had hope. I truly hoped that they will find melody again maybe thereīs something great Yes music still . After a minute I just wanted to to skip the damn thing it really was bloody awful. They had totally lost their thing: melody and harmony, and in particular singing harmonies. It was impossible to believe that this band had recorded tunes like "Time and a World", "Astral Traveller", "Roundabout", "America" (incredibly beautiful version of Paul Simon/Art Gartfunkel song)... and cha cha cha .. I just bursted into laughter Did they try to sound angry (grin). Well, that does not fit them at all ! Last tune is nothing but prolonged pop Yes song, actually the dullest they have ever done (so far). Nothing progressive, on the contrary. I really had to struggle to listen it all. How could they sank into this crap will remain a mystery to me. |
To be Over... that one is a rather frustrating one for me. The main melody is really wonderful... perhaps one of the most beautiful ones the band has created... but it really goes over-long and becomes dull and ruined. There's a solo version by Howe in one of his albums, all instrumental and shorter (barely 5 min), with some backing band, but focused on his guitar. He has also played it with Yes as his solo spot, only him with his acoustic guitar... both versions are really wonderful. I only wish the band had done a version of this song when they did their all acoustic songs in the middle of the 00's, that one could have been the definite version of the song, but as it is, I'll stay with the intrumental versions from Howe.
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Posted: October 15 2016 at 21:29 |
Devoncir wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them. |
The cha cha cha part for me is: reminiscence to haaaaa of close to the edge and also to register that there is a "search for sounds", it represents the "sound chaser" experimenting new possibilities of sound. I like it because it's unexpected and out of musical context , bizarre. . Also this is one of the only "presto" (very fast pacing) vocal songs I can remember. Few groups attempt to sing and play so fast simutaneously . Sound Chaser, like all Relayer album is very hermetic. Live and studio versions are very similar
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Well, the cha cha cha may be the band searching and experimenting new possibilities... but that doesn't mean they found somthing pleasing. In this case not for me, though.
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Posted: October 15 2016 at 06:36 |
Dellinger wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
chopper wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live. |
I didn' know that version of Sound Chaser ,only the bootlegs ones, fenomenal!!! I've never paid attention to that box. Future Times, America, Sound Chaser, We can fly from here. Hidden treasure, for me. Thanks
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them. |
Yes... This is so funny. I remember vividly the first time I heard relayer a very very long time ago. After a few minutes I just wanted to skip it... it was so booooring felt like an half hour... Suddenly all changed. The Soon section silently sneaked and it made my eye brown rise because it was the anti-thesis to everything just heard. It was music. Really weird feeling. But I hadnīt hear nothing yet... Second side... I had hope. I truly hoped that they will find melody again maybe thereīs something great Yes music still . After a minute I just wanted to to skip the damn thing it really was bloody awful. They had totally lost their thing: melody and harmony, and in particular singing harmonies. It was impossible to believe that this band had recorded tunes like "Time and a World", "Astral Traveller", "Roundabout", "America" (incredibly beautiful version of Paul Simon/Art Gartfunkel song)... and cha cha cha .. I just bursted into laughter Did they try to sound angry (grin). Well, that does not fit them at all ! Last tune is nothing but prolonged pop Yes song, actually the dullest they have ever done (so far). Nothing progressive, on the contrary. I really had to struggle to listen it all. How could they sank into this crap will remain a mystery to me.
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 21:24 |
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Devoncir wrote:
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them. |
The cha cha cha part for me is: reminiscence to haaaaa of close to the edge and also to register that there is a "search for sounds", it represents the "sound chaser" experimenting new possibilities of sound. I like it because it's unexpected and out of musical context , bizarre. . Also this is one of the only "presto" (very fast pacing) vocal songs I can remember. Few groups attempt to sing and play so fast simutaneously . Sound Chaser, like all Relayer album is very hermetic. Live and studio versions are very similar
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 21:11 |
Devoncir wrote:
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But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live. |
I didn' know that version of Sound Chaser ,only the bootlegs ones, fenomenal!!! I've never paid attention to that box. Future Times, America, Sound Chaser, We can fly from here. Hidden treasure, for me. Thanks
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them.
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 09:43 |
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yep, corrected
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 09:00 |
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The best version of live "Ritual" has just been released In the new version of Tales , the Steve Wilson 2016 mix.It was recorded in 1974. Much more energetic than the one of Yes Songs.
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Did you mean the version from Yesshows?
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 08:40 |
chopper wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live. |
I didn' know that version of Sound Chaser ,only the bootlegs ones, fenomenal!!! I've never paid attention to that box. Future Times, America, Sound Chaser, We can fly from here. Hidden treasure, for me. Thanks
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 08:31 |
Devoncir wrote:
But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live.
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 08:13 |
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In the TFTO Steve Wilson also corrected the only problem of TFTO in my opinion>> the mix- timbre of Howe's guitar in the opening of the Ancient - It was too much sharp, now it's comfortable. And the bass is more marked. Ancient sounds celestial.
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 08:04 |
The best version of live "Ritual" has just been released In the new version of Tales , the Steve Wilson 2016 mix. It was recorded in 1974. Much more energetic than the one of Yesshows . But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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Posted: October 13 2016 at 09:22 |
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That's the part I don't agree with.
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Posted: October 11 2016 at 08:14 |
This is THE DEFINITE prog rock album. "The Remembering" is my favorite, can't get tired of it. My favorite part is the slow building introdution of "the remembering". . Love it, and I can't tell the parts Rick Wakeman call "fillers". There are hundred of groups that produce only filler and are successfull. Why would someone cut out just Yes music? (I can understand though that it must had been not so pleasant for Wakeman to play the one-hour album throughly every night during the 73-74 tour -- it's a great album, but not something to experience in an every day basis)
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Posted: October 11 2016 at 07:22 |
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So I think what really makes Tales so great (#1 Yes album for me, perhaps?) is the fact that it's the culmination and combination of everything that made Yes so successful and interesting leading up to it. Tales may have been inspired by a lengthy footnote in some religious text, and the four shastras, and Jon Anderson's general hippie-ism, but that's not really what it's about. Tales is really about the love and appreciation of life and music, which is really what the three Yes albums before it were all about, too. The simplicity and charm of The Yes Album, the artistic immersion by Roger Dean of Fragile and the epic proportions of Close To The Edge, all in one great package - that's Tales. |
It's my #1 Yes album. I agree with you totally. It is the perfect summary of everything Yes that came before and a symbolic shift to another phase of their career. It's the gift that keeps on giving for those willing to pay their dues to truly understand it. Great job on your astute analysis. You hit so many nails on the head that you've built your own house to store all the copies of your Tales releases 
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Posted: October 11 2016 at 02:30 |
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I've been listening to Tales a lot lately; if it's not in rotation on my stereo, I'm likely to be humming melodies from it or playing it in my head throughout the day, and I think I've just recently been able to pin down (one of many) reasons that I love it so much.
I really feel that Tales From Topographic Oceans was actually very much a return to the sound and style that Yes had achieved on The Yes Album. More dominant songwriting presence from Steve Howe, more conservative use of keyboards, and simpler, lighter melodies than on Close To The Edge.
There are more specific Yes Album similarities that I can pick up on in certain tracks, as well. The grandiose, sprawling passages from The Revealing Science of God really remind me of the Life Seeker section from Starship Trooper; rhythmically simple passages that mesmerise you with the grandeur of the chords and the mysticism of Jon's lyrics.
The Remembering also has sections that are reminiscent of Starship Trooper. The lively acoustic sections ("Sail the skies...Other skylines...") really remind me of the acoustic Disillusions section. And then Ritual perhaps more than any brings me back to The Yes Album. The whole first five minutes, with the lively uptempo rock section, wouldn't seem at all out of place in Yours Is No Disgrace. And then the slower, more sentimental ballad section captures the same sort of "summer of love" mood as Perpetual Change. Not to mention the more avant-garde break closer to the middle/end of Ritual seems to share a similar approach to the polyrhythmic 7/8 section later in the same song.
So I think what really makes Tales so great (#1 Yes album for me, perhaps?) is the fact that it's the culmination and combination of everything that made Yes so successful and interesting leading up to it. Tales may have been inspired by a lengthy footnote in some religious text, and the four shastras, and Jon Anderson's general hippie-ism, but that's not really what it's about. Tales is really about the love and appreciation of life and music, which is really what the three Yes albums before it were all about, too. The simplicity and charm of The Yes Album, the artistic immersion by Roger Dean of Fragile and the epic proportions of Close To The Edge, all in one great package - that's Tales. |
Great insight, Magnum the Wanderer. I have not yet come that far but I may find it exactly the same as you. I have all the time to explore and Iīm sure Iīll find something else too...
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