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hdfisch 
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 Posted: June 24 2005 at 12:31 |
 Thanks nacho, obviously you realised that your initial assessment of that thread being only about USING drugs and not ABUSING was not quite right. In fact I was quite shocked how many people are obviously not only consuming so called "soft drugs" as weed but really harder and very dangerous stuff. And I doubt that all of them are mentally mature enough to handle such harmful stuff.
We always have to be aware that there are as well very very young visitors at this site who are still to be iinfluenced very easily. That is mainly my concern why I was starting this thread here!!!
IMO there should not be applied double standards here. Drugs are as dangerous (or even more) as porn for young kids!!!!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 12:18 |
 hdfisch wrote:
Well that's YOUR opinion. If you're taking drugs what you obvously do according to your posts you have to reckon to be called unreasonable!
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I think your being completely illogical, unreasonable and possibly mad!
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hdfisch
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 12:14 |
Well that's YOUR opinion. If you're taking drugs what you obvously do according to your posts you have to reckon to be called unreasonable!
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nacho
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 10:37 |
Dear all:
I was one of the first here to post an oppinion somehow contrary to that of hdfisch, although I think still on the constructive side. I wasn't too happy with his post saying that probably we were stoned (I haven't been stoned for a long time now), but some of the posts here are just making me take his point of view. So please, don't do any drugs if you don't know how to cope with them...
Otherwise, if you are posting in a "clean" state of mind, please look for a shrink, obviously you need it.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 10:32 |
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hdfisch
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 10:17 |
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hdfisch
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 10:14 |
Is this the kind of language you're using when you discuss? I could easily adapt to your low level but don't like to humiliate myself. Just send a few more posts like this and I report you to be banned!!!!
Gloryscene wrote:
hdfisch wrote:
But just the topic of the thread alone is implying the suggestion to use drugs for certain type of music! And what is even more frightening that this one is the most popular thread. I think this fact doesn't cast a very good light on our site! Where are the moderators? |
shut up it is just a discussion you prat. |
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spectral
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 10:02 |
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Chill out hdfisch; have a smoke!
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Gloryscene
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 09:48 |
hdfisch wrote:
But just the topic of the thread alone is implying the suggestion to use drugs for certain type of music! And what is even more frightening that this one is the most popular thread. I think this fact doesn't cast a very good light on our site! Where are the moderators? |
shut up it is just a discussion you prat.
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"The Beautiful Ally Of Your Own Gravediggers"
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hdfisch
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 08:01 |
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PROGMAN
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 07:02 |
I don't do drugs at all.
Never have.
Right where's my crisps
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Jim Garten
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 03:31 |
Tony R wrote:
Although I agree that the thread topic is provocative,I dont like the idea of any subject being taboo.Yes we have young people on the forum but there is far more counterbalance of opinion on the thread than these people would find out in "the real world."The way I view the thread is that some people do advocate taking drugs,but most posters seem to be saying "be careful" which is good advice.A reasonable analogy is the one of adolescant sex,kids are going to have intercourse,lets make sure they take precautions |
Nice one, Tony; at last - a reasoned response to hfisch's perfectly understandable concerns (despite the fact he is apparently a Bush supporting church minister who works for the big bad government  ).
The reason we can discuss drugs on an open forum (and we must never lose sight of the fact this is an open forum, accessible to anyone with a PC - including very young kids) is down to the laws governing free speech, where everyone has a right to their say; therefore, hfisch's opinion is as valid as anyone else's, and whilst I may not agree with what he says, he does not deserve sl*gging off 
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hdfisch
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 02:58 |
 Many thanks for the support barbs. Would be really nice if there would be more of us!!! Obviously there is plenty of unreasonableness around the world!
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barbs
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 00:43 |
WiguJimbo wrote:
nacho wrote:
WiguJimbo wrote:
I agree with you hdfisch, knowing
that there are children here (including me!) that might be open for
such suggestions, this is not the appropriate place to discuss drugs or
how magnificent they can be. I mostly try to ignore that thread. |
This is completely out of topic, but you are the very first
person I know that being almost 18 (in a few days, according to your
profile) defines himself as a child...
I had done a lot of forbidden things at your age, but yes, I have to
tell you that it's better for you to stay away from them...
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Well, most people my age are not as childish as I am 
EDIT2: Besides, every 18-year old who claims he's all grown up, is most times far from it.
But anyway, this subject is a little sore for me, I have a friend who uses drugs and he's not doing so well...
EDIT: and thanks hdfisch for your kind words 
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hdfisch and WiguJimbo. You have the guts to stand up for what you believe in. 
For that you should be commended not castigated. At least you give a
sh*t about people who could and do end up wasting their lives away
because of it.
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Eternity
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hdfisch
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 15:15 |
The second constructive response on this thread,thanks Tony R! Might be that I was over-reacting in this point. I've had as well a few sad examples of drug abuse in my closer relationship. In fact I did not have the time to read through all of these 1000++++ posts because it was during my working time. So I was not able to count how many pros or cons there were. I admit we should have the freedom to discuss even such "hot" topics and I'm not for censorship at all although in case of some things a certain amount of control is absolutely necessary without immediate association with right-winged attitude. I've got always a more left-wing and liberal one, but unfortunately considering certain people absolute freedom is not perfect as well. Actually I really wouldn't like to be a moderator on this site.Tough job!!!!
Tony R wrote:
hdfisch wrote:
I just realized there is a thread were some members are advocating drug abuse.Should this not be removed? |
Although I agree that the thread topic is provocative,I dont like the idea of any subject being taboo.Yes we have young people on the forum but there is far more counterbalance of opinion on the thread than these people would find out in "the real world."
The way I view the thread is that some people do advocate taking drugs,but most posters seem to be saying "be careful" which is good advice.A reasonable analogy is the one of adolescant sex,kids are going to have intercourse,lets make sure they take precautions.
Besides some of our more imaginative forum members are just playing the "pissing up the wall" game.... |
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hdfisch
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 14:58 |
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Jimbo
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 14:45 |
nacho wrote:
WiguJimbo wrote:
I agree with you hdfisch, knowing
that there are children here (including me!) that might be open for
such suggestions, this is not the appropriate place to discuss drugs or
how magnificent they can be. I mostly try to ignore that thread. |
This is completely out of topic, but you are the very first
person I know that being almost 18 (in a few days, according to your
profile) defines himself as a child...
I had done a lot of forbidden things at your age, but yes, I have to
tell you that it's better for you to stay away from them...
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Well, most people my age are not as childish as I am
EDIT2: Besides, every 18-year old who claims he's all grown up, is most times far from it.
But anyway, this subject is a little sore for me, I have a friend who uses drugs and he's not doing so well...
EDIT: and thanks hdfisch for your kind words
Edited by WiguJimbo
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hdfisch
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 14:45 |
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Tony R
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 14:17 |
hdfisch wrote:
I just realized there is a thread were some members are advocating drug abuse.Should this not be removed? |
Although I agree that the thread topic is provocative,I dont like the idea of any subject being taboo.Yes we have young people on the forum but there is far more counterbalance of opinion on the thread than these people would find out in "the real world."
The way I view the thread is that some people do advocate taking drugs,but most posters seem to be saying "be careful" which is good advice.A reasonable analogy is the one of adolescant sex,kids are going to have intercourse,lets make sure they take precautions.
Besides some of our more imaginative forum members are just playing the "pissing up the wall" game....
Edited by Tony R
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abyssyinfinity
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 14:06 |
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Thread about Prog for Drugs!
I'm anything else than a supporter of this guy!!!!!And secondly I don't feel being hypocritic, because I use to hate such behavior. But could you please explain me why it's hypocritic saying that one doesn't support drug consume since you're obviously much more intelligent than me. I admit I'm addicted as well to some so called "legal" or "light" drugs like caffeine, nicotin and alcohol to some extent and I don't say that these are necessarily healthy. But I don't think that's the topic of this thread, it doesn't imply which prog fits best to my morning coffee and cigarette or to my evening beer. Sorry I can't see any hypocrisy in my reaction!
