Dream Theater Disbanded & Albums Deleted

Well, i like DT...'Octavarium' is a good CD.

But occasionally it feels like a 'DT Fanboy' forum here, be honest guys!!

Open mindedness appears have been thrown out the window and awarding EVERY thing DT touch 5 Stars appears to be the order of the day. I love DT, I think they crap on most of the bands out there at the moment, they are talented musicians, but I am sorry, NOT ALL their albums are classics, sorry, its true. There is no way 'Train of thought' should be mentioned in the same breath as 'Close to the edge', 'Dark side of the moon' or 'Foxtrot' etc...they ARE classics and Mr. Portnoy and Mr. Petrucci would likely agree with me. I respect them a huge amount, but they also very probably respect their past and influences...bands like Yes, Floyd and Genesis are why DT EXIST! please understand that guys!

I believe DT have 2 classics...'IAW' and 'SFAM'. not sure either of them should register in the top 50 prog albums of all time though, maybe the top 100.

I would bet a few bucks DT would AGREE with that.

As others said the problem is not that i hate Dream (which i dont), but that a lot of members seem to only know them and a couple of other prog metal bands. So whatever "best ..." question is asked I get at least 5 people giving the DT answer, while most other members actually think about the question and come up with some band not necessarily their favorite, but appropriate to the question.
These one-dimensional answers don't help anyone and digest the forum, not only by taking up half of the first page but also by spamming proper threads with "no-brain" answers.

Tony:

Speaking personally (i.e., not in my official capacity), let me ask you a question.  Suppose for a moment that the admin group decided to create a separate category for prog-metal threads.  What, exactly, would you replace them with in the Prog Music Lounge?

The reason I ask is this: whatever your answer - which I assume would be some version of "other threads" or "threads about topics other than DT and prog-metal" - why are you, and others, not simply creating those threads now?

As I believe fandango pointed out - and I have noted ad nauseam on myriad threads, as well as in the guidelines - if those who dislike DT, prog-metal and the growing number of prog-metal threads simply ignored those threads and created whtaver new threads they thought should be created, or posted only to threads they felt were "appropriate," then the prog-metal threads would quickly disappear onto the second and third pages of the category.

How many times do I have to say this before the veterans (and some newbies) "get it?"  I'm beginning to think that at least some of the newbies that many of you disdain for their love of prog-metal and DT "get it" better than some of the senior members and collaborators...

I happen to like DT (though I certainly don't think they are the greatest thing since The Beatles, much less God's gift to prog) and some other prog-metal groups (including Ark and Opeth), on occasion.  As an aside, I personally feel that most prog-metal bands are woefully inconsistent, but that, at their best, they create a legitimate form of prog, and deserve their place here.

In that regard, those who love - or hate - prog-metal or a particular band have every right to express their opinions (as long as those debates remain "civil" and do not devolve into personal attack or other violation of the guidelines).  And, at this point, since prog-metal is a legitimate form of prog, those discussions properly belong in "Prog Music Lounge," unless (as with any other form of prog) it is clear that it is a recommendation (in which case it would be moved to that category) or an other-than-music discussion (e.g., I moved a thread about DT's lyrics to "Non-Music Prog Lounge," where it properly belonged).

I would really like to see the veterans - and the "oppositional" newbies - make a greater effort to welcome the newbies who came to us through prog-metal.  Indeed, if you want them to learn about the "history" of prog - and the symphonic prog, folk prog and other groups who created the genre that prog-metal came out of [N.B. You will find that quite a few newbies are just as conversant with King Crimson, Yes, Pink Floyd, and others as they are with DT, Opeth, Pain of Salvation and other prog-metal groups], you are not setting a good example by showing immediate disdain for their taste in music.  As Dale Carnegie might say, that is not the way to win friends and influence people.

I am not suggesting that prog-metal fans should have a license to simply monopolize any particular category of threads: indeed, that is a violation of the guidelines, and would be dealt with if it were actually occurring.  However, although there are in fact an increasing number of prog-metal threads in Prog Music Lounge, (i) they are not so many as to warrant either a separate category or a warning, and (ii) if those who don't like or want those threads started some other (legitimate, please) threads, then the number of prog-metal threads would decrease proportionally.

As Rodney King put it so well, "Can't we just all get along?"

A little acceptance, patience and humility goes a long way...

Peace.

Do you buy Dream Theater albums just to smash them?  

Ty1020 wrote: Tony R wrote: ShaggyMcShagg7 wrote: It seems that hating DT has become more of a hobby than an opinion. I can imagine the bedrooms of all the haters; a multitude of DT posters with knives in them. Surely all the energy you put into hating a band can be used much more positively. As for posters in bedrooms.......that kind of somes up the fanboy mentality doesnt it-I'm 43, gave up childish things when I became an adult. The existance of this thread would suggest otherwise .

If you equate a little light-hearted banter to relieve the utter tedium around here with being childish then Ty1020,all I've got to say is this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tony R wrote: fandango wrote: At the very least, this thread should be moved to the 'Fun' section...after all, there's bugger all in the way of musical content!! Which takes us nicely back to Dream Theater

OK....That was pretty funny

fandango wrote: Trouserpress wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Well I've been over to Samla Mammaries thread,but I prefer pissing around! Fair enough, as long as you DO check 'em out. The great thing about them is they they're partial to a bit of musical pissing around themselves! The problem with Trousersnake is that he gets too highbrow and esoteric for me... he looks down his nose at my mundane Neo-Prog and would probably choke if he knew I was listening to 'Pepper's Ghost' at the mo...

Ooooh... I wouldn't say I look down on neo-prog as such... would you class The Flower Kings as neo-prog? I do, anyway.

I just like music to be as wild and creative as possible. Any less and I feel a little cheated...

Any MP3s here?

Well I've been over to Samla Mammaries thread,but I prefer pissing around!

fandango wrote: At the very least, this thread should be moved to the 'Fun' section...after all, there's bugger all in the way of musical content!!

Which takes us nicely back to Dream Theater