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Kyo 
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Joined: April 16 2008 Location: Nuernberg, GER Status: Offline Points: 140 |
 Posted: December 28 2010 at 13:45 |
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I like the simple term "cover albums" for those, but that's probably too straightforward. I was already told that this board is infamous for its "is it prog? should it be added? and what genre is it, really?" discussions. Guess it's very important that no "false prog" gets past quality control.
 I am frequently amused by the importance placed on labels and categories. Our own album's style isn't really captured correctly by any single one of those and that seems to be true for a lot of music that I listen to these days. Really makes you wonder if these categories really matter. Anyway, don't let me disturb your discussion of where this 4-star compilation (as per AtomicCrimsonRush's rating) might fit.  Edited by Kyo - December 28 2010 at 13:46 |
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harmonium.ro
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: December 28 2010 at 13:13 |
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^ Those nuances, as valid as they are, don't count much here as PA has created the Tributes subcategory according to the generally accepted definition of the tribute album:
A tribute album is a recorded collection of cover versions of songs or instrumental compositions. Its concept may be either various artists making a tribute to a single artist, a single artist making a tribute to various artists, or a single artist making a tribute to another single artist. (Wiki) |
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Kyo
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Joined: April 16 2008 Location: Nuernberg, GER Status: Offline Points: 140 |
Posted: December 28 2010 at 13:05 |
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I don't see it like that at all. It's definitely a tribute to a PA artist by various other artists, no doubt about that. Not sure where this idea that a tribute always has to be presented in the form of cover songs and nothing else came from. It's certainly not that way in jazz circles where people often pay tribute to their heroes by emulating certain musical approaches - regardless of who was the composer of a piece and very often including original compositions clearly influenced by the artist to whom the tribute is dedicated. For example, there's the famous "Directions in Music" album by Herbie Hancock with Michael Brecker and Roy Hargrove. The subtitle for that one is "Celebrating Miles Davis and John Coltrane", and yet it features tunes written by Hargrove and Brecker as well as tunes that Miles Davis recorded but didn't write himself. In fact, of the eight tracks, just one half of a two-song medley was actually written by Davis. Edited by Kyo - December 28 2010 at 13:06 |
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Blackbeard
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Joined: February 28 2009 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 63 |
Posted: December 28 2010 at 12:06 |
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Can't find the news, so i will spread the message of a free download. I have just started to listen, and it sounds promising. Hope you like it:
http://www.spaceprog.com |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: December 28 2010 at 11:15 |
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The placement of albums in Various Artists is not done a voting basis - the final say on whether an album remains is with the Admin Team. The VA: Tributes section is for albums that are tributes to PA artists and would consist of tracks originally recorded by said artists. Since Michael has already kicked up a fuss over this thread being placed in "Prog Tribute Bands" then the album being placed in "VA: Tributes" is equally as incongruous. Quite what this album is, and where it should belong (if at all), is something we will have to think about. The presence of one PA listed artists and a couple of tracks that feature musicians who are in PA listed bands may not be enough for listing VA:Samplers or VA:Concept Albums either. Edited by Dean - December 28 2010 at 11:20 |
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Andy Webb
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 10:23 |
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well AtomicCrimsonRush has already posted a bombin' review... so I take he votes yes?
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: December 28 2010 at 04:19 |
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Says it all. I think you've done well in terms of publicity here Kyo. Let's leave it at that.
Anyone can add albums to this site. Whether they remain is a decision to be taken by our collaborators.
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Kyo
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Joined: April 16 2008 Location: Nuernberg, GER Status: Offline Points: 140 |
Posted: December 27 2010 at 20:04 |
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Cool!  Thanks a lot for adding the album and the two music videos (created just for this project!) to the PA database, Andy! |
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Kyo
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Joined: April 16 2008 Location: Nuernberg, GER Status: Offline Points: 140 |
Posted: December 27 2010 at 19:41 |
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EDIT: I didn't get what you were saying the first time I read it - let's try this again: Well, Andyman1125 seems to have added the album to the site now. Does that change things?
This press release made the headlines over at Blabbermouth, a much larger site with no particular focus on prog. I find it pretty astonishing that it was considered less relevant by a prog-specific website like PA.
I contributed a nice press release via the regular channels, thus contributing quality content to your news section just the way it is meant to happen (unless I am *very* confused about something here). It seems nobody was particularly grateful for that content because it was simply deleted. And now you are accusing *me* of being ungrateful?
With all due respect, the idea that a very casual collective of indie artists would get together and actually pay money to have a *FREE* tribute project advertised strikes me as absurd. If you don't want it featured on your site, that'll just have to be it, I'm afraid. There are certainly projects where it makes sense and we have considered booking some ads for our own band eventually, but that's a very different situation. Edited by Kyo - December 27 2010 at 19:54 |
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Andy Webb
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 17:44 |
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I see Bad Salad in the track listing
Downloading now!
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: December 26 2010 at 16:05 |
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This is a prog site Kyo. We have to draw the line somewhere, so the distinction we use is that if a band is listed on our site, they are considered prog and are discussed in prog sections. If we did not enforce such rules, sections such as the Prog News and press releases would be overrun with posts about anything and everything. Of course, everyone thinks their project is more important than everyone else's, and that they should therefore be some sort of exception. At the end of the day though, our members expect to read prog news in the prog new section.
Other projects, such as yours are welcome to be promoted, but in the appropriate sections. You could perhaps be a little more grateful for the free publicity you are being afforded here. I'm sure M@x would be happy to sell you some advertising space too, if you wish to gain a higher profile for your project.
If you wish to discuss this matter further, I suggest you do so by PM to myself or Dean (or M@x for advertising rates).
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Kyo
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Joined: April 16 2008 Location: Nuernberg, GER Status: Offline Points: 140 |
Posted: December 26 2010 at 14:18 |
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Well, my band is listed. But this is not a release by my band per se, just one that we contributed a track to (that's obviously the nature of a compilation). Now what? Does the whole thing need to meet some quota of PA-featured bands to be considered newsworthy? Can I look this stuff up somewhere? See, when I can't even post an actual press release in the Press
Releases forum without having it deleted, I am pretty sure it's not me
doing something wrong.
I know artists who have fake accounts all over the net to avoid this kind of problem. I think it's pathetic in a way, but I now realize they actually have a good reason to do that. Because anyone not directly involved in the project could've posted about this thing in the Recommendations forum without having it moved to a place that nobody reads. This distinction does nothing but punish the musically creative or force them to participate incognito, none of which strikes me as healthy for a music forum. Edited by Kyo - December 26 2010 at 14:20 |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: December 26 2010 at 13:31 |
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Everybody wants their latest project or latest release on the front page, but unless you are an artist listed in the archives it isn't going to happen.
If you don't agree with that, then I'm sure you will find other websites and forums were you can promote yourself.
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Kyo
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 12:22 |
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I think it's up to everyone himself how he pays tribute to someone, wouldn't you agree?
But yeah, if you want to move it, it makes a lot more sense to put it here than to have it in "Tribute bands & radio", which after all is a forum meant to be about live performances of covers and live broadcasts - none of which have anything to do at all with this compilation project. Edited by Kyo - December 26 2010 at 12:30 |
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Dean
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 12:10 |
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 Though less spamming generally results in less overzealotting.
Okay - how about "Music inspired by..." because it isn't a Tribute (with a capital "T") either.
A plug is a plug is a plug -"Get The Word Out".
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J-Man
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Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
Posted: December 26 2010 at 11:14 |
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Honor Thy Drummer: A Tribute to Mike Portnoy |
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Kyo
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 10:45 |
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Er... what's up with the overzealous moderation? How does this thread belong in "Prog Tribute Bands and Prog Radio"? Nobody involved is available for cover tune shows and nobody is broadcasting anything, either...
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Kyo
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 05:42 |
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Well, the people on Mike's own forum are loving it, so I'd say the lack of cover songs is not as big a deal as you're making it out to be. Also, notice how people buying a tribute is completely backwards? A tribute is supposed something that is given, not something that you charge money for. |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 05:25 |
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I will give it a listen anyhow. But the majority of people who buy for example a Rush tribute album....want Rush songs imo. The Concert for Freddie Mercury would have for example been pointless without the |Queen covers.
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Kyo
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 05:17 |
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As I said, I think the idea that a tribute has to be a bunch of cover songs is pretty random. I think it's actually more of a tribute when people present something that shows the importance of the original artist's work for those paying tribute in a musical way rather than just copy something that has been done before. I actually think the best tributes are completely original compositions written explicitely for that purpose. If Mike's influence is always apparent in all of these contributions is another question and one that you should probably ask the guy who produced the whole thing. Edited by Kyo - December 26 2010 at 05:17 |
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