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harmonium.ro
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OK, two "move" votes from the Psych team, which means they rejected Branca. I'll head it for Avant.
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Good stuff (and guitar based), thanks. These are definitely avantgarde, not psychedelia / sonic exploration. |
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harmonium.ro
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NP Text, I owe you one for exposing me to Branca. Are his other works that you recommend also guitar based?
RE Krautrock, it's complicated. Krautrock doesn't stand for just German prog (half of the whole German prog can be found in other genres, like Symphonic, Fusion, Psychedelic, Folk or Heavy) or just a style, but for a historical German prog movement with a specific aesthetic (same as with RPI and RIO). Bands that either 1) are 70s German bands but only borderline kraut from a musical point of view or 2) are non-German and non-70s bands but adhere to the Kraut aesthetic were added on PA in Krautrock, but since Branca doesn't fit no 1) and IMO doesn't fit 2) either (there are only similarities with Krautrock, not a clear adhesion), I think his chances for Kraut are lower than for Psyche and Avant. Hopefully things go well with either Psyche and Avant so we don't need to try with Krautrock too, but if needed, I'll submit him there. Edited by harmonium.ro - October 05 2010 at 05:31 |
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Why can't he get into Krautrock? If it's a genre, not a "thing for bands from Germany", people who have the same sound should be eligible.
(Though we're going to get into the whole "How come Italy gets a genre?" thing again here.)
Harmo: You're right, sorry. My gut feeling is though that Branca, regardless of what little boxes he does or doesn't slot into, really does belong here and would be of great interest to progressive music fans. Maybe I'm wrong- somebody besides me please get the complete Ascension album (I also suggest Tonal Plexus and The Mysteries, both of which are also excellent and presented as actual symphonies- he has released nine symphonies in total and also an Ascension II- in order to give a more rounded picture of his work.)
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harmonium.ro
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I didn't say he doesn't sound like other prog and therefore he shouldn't be added; I said that he doesn't sound like any other avant band that I know and that I why suggested it to another genre team. Notice the difference?
IMO the samples sounded like krautrock, because of the mix of psychedelia and avantgarde; and as he can't get into krautrock, the normal thing to do was (IMO) to try with the Psych and Avant teams. We'll see what the Psych teams decides and if it's a NO then we try with the Avant team. I can't see what's not logical in this approach. Edited by harmonium.ro - October 05 2010 at 01:44 |
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Terry Riley added to prog related |
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Oh I know everyone hates the "if x got in" argument but Terry Riley got in and this is a lot more rock.
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He doesn't sound like other post rock but he to me is a post artist in that he moved on from the traditional sound while remaining in the idiom. And notice that I said avant-rock, not avant-prog. Still, "not sounding like other prog" is a ridiculous objection on a progressive site. They are long, serious, dynamic and unconventional pieces with themes/concepts using rock arrangements. I call that prog-rock.
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harmonium.ro
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First, by noticing that there isn't much avant-prog that sounds like his music. Actually, none; I know zero avant-prog that sounds like those samples (maybe they're not very representative for the rest of his output?) Post Rock the samples were not, and he;s not going to get added to Post Rock, I'm pretty sure of that. |
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Glenn Branca...hmm,hm. A contemporary (avangarde) music influenced by rock?
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He's RIO/Avant in my book. I really don't see how you could argue that he isn't avant-rock.
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I'm rather apathetic as to whether he makes it on this site or not. When I was on the team I'd thoughts on bringing him up. For me his roots can most heavily be found in minimalism (from a compositional point of view), post-punk, noise rock, so I guess in essence experimental rock in regards to the latter (tho' I don't like that sort of terminology), which could fall under the avant-rock umbrella quite easily; all depends on how you want to sell it ;)
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Mmmmm, difficult to categorize.
Not Psych Progressive nor Space Rock as it is said, tinged with experimental / garagey / kosmiche / kinky flavour. And he may have Post potential methinks. Fit for progressive rock? ... Maybe. Gonna check more of his stuffs. Edited by DamoXt7942 - October 04 2010 at 01:55 |
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+1 for Glenn Branca in Avant.
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I think Branca should def be on PA but I'm a bit surprised to hear him suggested for psych. Still, giving this a bump so others can listen. Be sure to check out his material beyond the two songs I posted if you're interested, there's a lot of other stuff. He's almost like a contemporary classical composer at times, albeit one that works within the realm of unsettling guitar noise.
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Gonna check his YouTube stuffs after work.
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harmonium.ro
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Wow, amazing stuff! The Ascension is a very radical psychedelic sound exploration, with sparse rhythmic moments and a certain avantgarde attitute. Overall it reminds me of early kraut / eletronic like early Tangerine Dream and AshRa Tempel. Really cosmic. The Spectacular Commodity is much more calm and rhythm-based, reminding me of post-punk and math-rock in the first place, and of Neu! when going back further in the 70s.
I'll ask the psychedelic team for an evaluation. |
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Surprised to find he's not already here.
Instrumentalist who makes dense/complex music out of using guitars in odd ways. Elements of coventional rock in places but a strong, challenging avant aesthetic, often scary, sometimes ugly. His 1981 album The Ascension is a masterpiece.
The title track from that album, The Ascension, is originally presnted as one track but is here two because of Youtube's clip length limit.
And here's The Spectacular Commodity, cut down from its full 12 minute length for the same reason.
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