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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 22:54
Yeah, I agree with JLocke. I don't think Fear of A Blank Planet is saying its a good thing to get stoned in shopping malls, and spend hours playing Xboxes. Wilson's commenting on the downfall of today's youth. When I went to see PT live last week, there were plenty of people over the age of 18 there. In fact, it was an 18+ only gig. There were middle aged guys wearing Floyd t shirts there with their wives. 

Many people here come down on the FOABP lyrics. I think they're great, personally. 

I love all eras of PTs sound, from the space rock era, to the modern era. But if they'd never made In Absentia, and the heavier albums that followed, they'd probably still be playing small clubs. Metal sells, like it or not. And I happen to really enjoy PTs new, heavier direction. It's made them a lot of new fans.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 22:39
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

This is pretty much the most difficult decision I've ever had to make.  

Porcupine Tree had some good songs and LPs before they decided to put out overproduced teen-angst-dark-and-edgy music.  I mean wtf, didn't Wilson warn of this in Sound of Muzak, despite the course already being set?

The same could be said about Dream Theater in a broad sense.

I'm sorry, but I doubt that most listeners really care to indulge in teenage hate-fantasy once they've reached adulthood.  Popular movies, television, and videogames are all aimed at children as well.  It sucks.

It's a shame you can't tell the difference between Wilson speaking for himself and Wilson speaking for the modern teenager in one instance that has never been repeated. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 22:25
This is pretty much the most difficult decision I've ever had to make.  

Porcupine Tree had some good songs and LPs before they decided to put out overproduced teen-angst-dark-and-edgy music.  I mean wtf, didn't Wilson warn of this in Sound of Muzak, despite the course already being set?

The same could be said about Dream Theater in a broad sense.

I'm sorry, but I doubt that most listeners really care to indulge in teenage hate-fantasy once they've reached adulthood.  Popular movies, television, and videogames are all aimed at children as well.  It sucks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 21:31
I think you put it best, JLocke. PT has a 'less is more' approach, whereas DT go the other way. Completely different ways of doing music, but both prog. Apples and oranges. PT are kind of the Pink Floyd or King Crimson of our age, whereas DT are more the Yes or Rush of our age. I am a fan of both. There's a time when I want to hear great songwriting, and for that I'll usually go to Wilson and co. And there's times when I want to rock out to some crazy, technically amazing stuff, as only DT can do. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2010 at 14:38
Steve Wilson is a musical genius despite his lack of technical ability, and he can move me in ways few other musicians have.

Everybody in Dream Theater are technically superior to pretty much everybody else in rock music, yet in spite of that, they have a horrible time writing anything emotional without going over-the-top musically. 

So really, it's apple and oranges. Do you prefer music that does more with less? Or is doing more with more the type of stuff you gravitate towards?

For me, it's WAY the former, although nothing is wrong with DT's style. I just listen to Wilson and crew much more often. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2010 at 14:25
IŽll have to go with  Dream Theater.  Both made damn good albums, but  Count of Tuscany from their new album just took my breath away.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2010 at 18:52
How have I not found this thread before?

PT.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2010 at 18:47
Suming up , this could be considered as the modern ELP vs Camel. I stick with ELP (DT)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2010 at 04:06
Dream Theater is great- one of the best ever!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2010 at 13:54

DT is a big prog metal band with great  technical musicians like Petrucci, rudess and portnoy. BUT if you note to last 2 albums, you can see they move around closed circle. after " octavarium" i cant see any new idea in DT. this is important reason for me to choose PT. You can see wide range of styles in PT and they play that very good. PT is deeper than DT. when i encounter to new DT song or album, i can guess what they play before listen to it. I dont want to say this is a bad point. I have both versions of "Systematic chaos" and i love instrumental version. this is not good for a band like DT with graet vocalist and good lyrics. In post-moore era, portnoy's role deeper day by day and band go to portnoy direction. Now i want  to talk about PT. If you talk about technics , i dont think PT is not good. Harrison is god and wilson play professional. Songwriting in high level and lyrics is great. they make dark atmospher with top arrangment and choosing excellent color of instruments to make both modern and post-modern music. Wilson is one of prog icons. he have several experiences with other prog gods and use these experiences in his first and favor band PT. Wilson have talent and ability for release new albums with new styles and i waiting for that BUT i dont think DT can do that. if DT want to continue like last year i cant see good future for them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2010 at 11:54
I cannot compare the two, they are too different in their styles, so for me to pick a preference I have to look at the whole catalog start to present.
 
PT to me has not done too much in the way of "progression". They started out as a band with excellent musicianship, dark dreary lyrics, very melodic rhythms. What I have noticed is with this type of recipe, the songs, albums tend to sound alike. My point is the theme seems to be the same over and over, dark.
There have been some divergence to the music from melodic at times to harder (more riffs, drumming attention). I will not name songs, albums, we all know which these would be. But then PT returns to the melodic form. It tells me this is where they are comfortable.......Some would say comfortable in music is boring music.
 
DT to me was a group of technically proficient players, who wanted to play harder rock than go the way of full out metal (Metallica, Megadeth...). Write more epic type songs musically, with lyrics to support a 10 minute song. Seems like in most cases this works out for DT, but I agree it can get lost in translation. To me DT has played more with different styles than PT has, they have risked more by doing this, hence in my mind this is more progressive than PT. Now DT lyrics can be dark, although I can handle them more than the PT dark style.
 
Most people think if you are trained at Juliard or in this case Berklee College of music, you should be playing jazz, classical or broadway.......The common listener would never guess a prog rock, metal artists has this background....rock prejudice??
 
Hopefully you can get my thinking pattern in all this. I enjoy both artists very much and I listen to them quite a lot. If I struggle with one of them it would be PT, only because I don't think they have ventured out of their original form very much.
To me DT has done more venturing, outside the box thinking throughout the current discography.
 
I see PT road still going down the path of dark lyrics, melodic rock.
I see DT road might be bending somewhat, I sense the next album will be very dramatic and may present some new thoughts.
 
Again I really like PT.......but I prefer DT for the reasons of being more progressive in their style of play, themes and preformance.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2010 at 01:41
Wow. I saw PT live last night. Freaking awesome. They completely blew me away. If you get the chance, go and see 'em live. 

I love DT as well, but I've only seen them live on DVDs. I'd have to go and see DT as well to make a fair comparison of the two as far as live gigs go. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2010 at 02:29
love both bands ( and both are 2 of my tops) and I am not gonna waste my time saying what I think about them even  If I don't like them. I just won't bother.  opinions are  just opinion and are personal.
all I am just gonna say that both are great bands but totally different from each other. but i have to admit that I loved PT fom the first time i heard them and DT took awhile.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2010 at 09:36
I think I'd have to say Dream Theater.  I do like both bands a ton, but I'd say more of Dream Theater's works appeal to me.  I'm really only a fan of PT's most recent four or five albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2010 at 19:40
^I agree with you Blacksword that PT have better songwriting skills. I admire both bands for different reasons. DT because of the amazing musicianship (although as you say, its sometimes a vehicle for their technical chops rather than an emphasis on songwriting); PT for the great songwriting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2010 at 09:05
Porcupine Tree by a very long way.

I simply prefer the songs. They are more in tune with what I want to hear from a modern prog band.

I've warmed to DT over the last year, and really enjoyed seeing them live, but I think they lack the songwriting skills of PT. There are a few classics in their catalogue, but a lot of the time their music really just seems like a vehecle to show off what great musicians they are. Of course, it all down to personal taste, but it seems that songwriting is less important than musical heroics in the DT camp.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2010 at 08:34

There's nothing exciting about PT honestly... precisely the opposite... I mean, their music is depressive and flat and Steven Wilson voice is boirng as hell... while their music capabilities are good, the music do not give anything to move me in anyway... I know some people felt overwhelmed by the technical capabilities of DT in the other hand... but at the end... there's plenty music with soul in them... when you hear songs like "Hollow Years" or "Wither" or "Space Dye Vest" and there's no way PT can compite with that... and all their emo attitude don't help this guys... really...

And other thing... DT will be always remember as the band that brings prog into the 90's mainstream and with Progressive Nation they really are helping the movement, while PT will be just, another good band in prog...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2010 at 17:07
PORCUPINE TREE RULES!!!!
BY FAR!!!!!!!
(I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DREAM THEATER, BUT I WILL SOON)
IF THEY WERE(ARE) SOOOO GOOD I SHOULD SEARCH ABOUT THEM MORE,BUT...........

HERE IN THIS FORUM I RED ABOUT 2 GREAT ALBUMS OF DT AND I WILL "MELT" THEM(AS WE SAY IN GREECE)
ABOUT PT, I KNOW EVERY SONG,EVERY SOLO , EVERY ALBUM, I WAS IN EVERY GIG THAT THEY DID IN ATHENS(MORE THAN 5) SO............................. SEE 1ST LINE! Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2009 at 11:54
I'm not sure wich band I prefer and I recently got into Porcupine Tree, but so far it seems to me Porcupine Tree music is a bit more diverse than Dream Theater's

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2009 at 10:58
Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Here's how I see it:

Fresh off of their stomping of The Flower Kings (link) The Dream Theater gang continue their strut down the alley of Progressive Bad Assness cocky and still full of themselves.  They don't notice that they're walking into a trap.

Out of nowhere, Colin Edwin leaps from a second story building, hurtling towards John Myung.  Unfortunately, Myung's years of martial arts training serve him well allowing him to gingerly step to the side, avoiding Edwin completely.  Unfortunately, Edwin doesn't do nearly as good of a job avoiding the ground, effectively taking himself out of the fight.

With the element of surprise gone, Steven Wilson takes on the daunting trio of Charlie Dominici, James Labrie and John Petrucci.  Steven would hold his own at first, using a broken guitar string as a garrote against James LaBrie, though little did anyone know, LaBrie's surgically reconstructed throat was apparently surrounded by a sheath of surgical steel rendering Wilson's attack ineffective at best.  This serves to only piss off John Petrucci who promptly eats Steven Wilson and Charlie Dominici.

Mike Portnoy sizes up the pair of Harrison and Maitland and starts posturing by hitting as many things as he possibly can with his sticks.  In a move, vaguely reminiscent of the first Indiana Jones movie, Gavin Harrison wails a stick at Portnoy in the midst of the flourish, hitting him square between the eyes and removing him from combat.

As the keyboardists were getting ready to duke it out, Kevin Moore gets a call from his girlfriend breaking up with him.  He promptly storms off angrily into obscurity, singing about his hurt in a flat and uninteresting voice.  Derek Sherenin watches with a certain amount of amusement as Moore leaves then turns towards Richard Barbieri sizing up the opponent.  As Sherenin studies the situation, Jordan goes into a series of convulsions, with his beard quivering menacingly Rudess begins to scream at Barberi, advancing towards the man.  As he gets closer and closer, Barberi first looses the ability to stand then the ability to hold his bladder. 

Winner - Dream Theater


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I think Porcupine Tree are at a far more creative stage at the moment, but Dream Theater aren't really focused on progressing anymore, so much as gaining awareness, and they're doing a good job.

On the other hand, Dream Theater have released more important material, and I feel they will always be more of a reference to the style of progressive rock. Porcupine Tree are a really cool, interesting band, but they just strike me as brilliant songwriters rather than ever being true innovators.



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