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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 04:51
Vocally, It sounds more like the band's own "Stars Die".


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:46
You only have to look at my reviews to work that out!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:41
Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

I listened and have no problem with your opinion. We differ, that's all :)


And hopefully we both love Porcupine Tree? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:34
I listened and have no problem with your opinion. We differ, that's all :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:23
Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.


So you are willing to admit that those songs did in fact inspire this track?

See, if the inspiration is indeed that obvious, to me, that's a bad thing. I've heard Pink Floyd influences in Porcupine Tree's music before, but never this obvious or 'in-your-face', and yes, that saddens me.


I don't know what inspired this track. I can hear similarities between this song and some of the basic riffs in 'Animals' but that might be because they were pointed out before I listened to the song. Whether PT were 'inspired' or not by PF, my point is that I do not buy the 'carbon-copy' argument.


Well, good thing I wasn't 'selling' it, then. Wink

It's just an opinion; doesn't have to be yours, and if I gave the impression that I was trying to force my opinions on others here, I do apologize. I do not ask anybody to 'buy' anything I say. All I ask is that they listen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 02:11
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.


So you are willing to admit that those songs did in fact inspire this track?

See, if the inspiration is indeed that obvious, to me, that's a bad thing. I've heard Pink Floyd influences in Porcupine Tree's music before, but never this obvious or 'in-your-face', and yes, that saddens me.


I don't know what inspired this track. I can hear similarities between this song and some of the basic riffs in 'Animals' but that might be because they were pointed out before I listened to the song. Whether PT were 'inspired' or not by PF, my point is that I do not buy the 'carbon-copy' argument.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:43
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?


If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature,  and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.


Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this. Wink

However, the similarities are still quite obvious. LOL


Oh yeah, I agree. About the similarity. In "Sheep." Wink


Yeah, I think everybody hears 'Sheep' if they don't hear anything else. LOL

But like I say, I'm still excited about this song and whole album despite my initial reaction.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:39
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?


If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature,  and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.


Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this. Wink

However, the similarities are still quite obvious. LOL


Oh yeah, I agree. About the similarity. In "Sheep." Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:36
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?


If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature,  and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.


Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this. Wink

However, the similarities are still quite obvious. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:24
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?


If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature,  and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:53
^ I have every intention of buying this album. I even enjoy this song. But to say it is anything but a carbon copy of a past song is (in my opinion) lying to oneself. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:51

^ Why don't you judge the whole album in it's entirety when you have the chance or...............not play it. But give it a chance I reckon

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:46
Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.


So you are willing to admit that those songs did in fact inspire this track?

See, if the inspiration is indeed that obvious, to me, that's a bad thing. I've heard Pink Floyd influences in Porcupine Tree's music before, but never this obvious or 'in-your-face', and yes, that saddens me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:42
I honestly do not hear anything remotely " Dogs" like if anything, " Sheep"- the guitar riff at the end. But it's OK, comparisons and similarities are cool. It's not plagiarism just a great song IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:40
Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:38
Both of you must not be hearing the same song that I am, then. Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:37
One song, one word:
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:33
Yet another case of drawing far-reaching conclusions from insufficient material, in my opinion. All we can tell from this piece of music is what we think about this piece of music. And as for it being a carbon copy of anything, I wouldn't want to be using your photocopier. I respect the 'sounds-like' opinion, but it's not a copy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:30
Take a look at the song overall...it's nothing like anything Pink Floyd ever did. Porcupine Tree stopped even sounding like a (better) Pink Floyd after The Sky Moves Sideways.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2009 at 22:49
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

P0mt3 I don't know why you're freaking out. You do realize that PT has been trying to sound like PF since they started. I mean come on.


Well, they haven't succeeded until now, my friend. LOL
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