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topofsm 
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 Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:20 |
^Yeah, I don't really like hardcore music myself or the vocal style that goes with it. I prefer metal, and the only sort of hardcore band that I like are BTBAM, but they have a lot more metal elements than hardcore depending on the album.
I also don't really like black metal shrieks, but when I listen to the music as a whole, it seems to work for me. Just in my opinion, of course.
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JJLehto
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:16 |
 MovingPictures07 wrote:
topofsm wrote:
^Between The Buried And Me isn't always really growling, a lot of the times they're hardcore screams, but they seem to have a fusion of death growls and screams as well. They have a lot of styles as I've said before. They even do grindcore-like pig squeals in one song on Alaska. |
It's the screaming ones that are alot harder for me to stomach, as Tech/Extreme was pretty much the hardest sub-genre for me to get into. I love some of it now, but at heart I'm not a metalhead--so I tend to be picky.
Nonetheless, I appreciate the art of growling and that it's a respectable and useful vocalizing technique.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:09 |
topofsm wrote:
^Between The Buried And Me isn't always really growling, a lot of the times they're hardcore screams, but they seem to have a fusion of death growls and screams as well. They have a lot of styles as I've said before. They even do grindcore-like pig squeals in one song on Alaska. |
It's the screaming ones that are alot harder for me to stomach, as Tech/Extreme was pretty much the hardest sub-genre for me to get into. I love some of it now, but at heart I'm not a metalhead--so I tend to be picky. Nonetheless, I appreciate the art of growling and that it's a respectable and useful vocalizing technique.
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JJLehto
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:06 |
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I have no problem with growls, (but then again I am a metal head at heart).
It is fitting of the music, and if done right can REALLY be a great compliment.
And to untrained ears it may all sound the same but I can notice differences in every persons style, and some growls sound "good" while others are just bad.
It is exactly like clean singing.
It's just what you are used to I suppose.
However, I have no problem with "low" growls but I hate high pitched. I can not stand it. Whether it's high pitched shrieking, screaming, hardcore...I hate it. And don't get me started on pig squeals......
Edited by JJLehto - July 31 2009 at 18:08
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topofsm
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:02 |
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^Between The Buried And Me isn't always really growling, a lot of the times they're hardcore screams, but they seem to have a fusion of death growls and screams as well. They have a lot of styles as I've said before. They even do grindcore-like pig squeals in one song on Alaska.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:52 |
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I hated growling at first, but with persistence I learned to treat the voice as an instrument--and applied that to growling.
I now really enjoy bands like Meshuggah (my favorite) and Opeth, and to a lesser extent bands like Cynic and Atheist.
I have repeatedly tried Between the Buried and Me, but it's the higher-pitched growling, or something about those that I really can't stand yet. I'm hoping that someday changes.
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topofsm
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:28 |
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^It would seem so.
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CPicard
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 16:14 |
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I think that we got it now: only a few people can stand growlings, and the only death-metal band they know is Opeth. Gee.
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tamijo
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 12:41 |
Time Signature wrote:
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Its oki that rockers get drunk. Its only human that the get a hangover.
But do they have to puke while recording. |
Heheheheh... I do acknowledge it as a vocal technique though, so that it does not sound like singing is not my problem. But of course, a tonal vocal techniques like most growling are admittedly less versatile and less varied than tonal ones. |
I was just joking, i find it to be usefull in some context.
The shifting between "beauti-vocal" and growling on Opeth :"Ghost of Perdition" would be a good example of this. One of my favorite Opeth tracks.
But if its constant vocal on a 60 min CD its too much for me.
Edited by tamijo - July 31 2009 at 12:52
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 12:30 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
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"I am an animal"? |
Doesn't ASH RA TEMPEL's "Schwingungen" LP's A-side vocal go also little to this category?  |
No, they are just "I am freaked out on LSD"-vocals. 
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 12:12 |
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Time Signature
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 07:45 |
tamijo wrote:
Its oki that rockers get drunk. Its only human that the get a hangover.
But do they have to puke while recording. |
Heheheheh... I do acknowledge it as a vocal technique though, so that it does not sound like singing is not my problem. But of course, a tonal vocal techniques like most growling are admittedly less versatile and less varied than tonal ones.
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tamijo
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 06:40 |
Its oki that rockers get drunk. Its only human that the get a hangover.
But do they have to puke while recording.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Time Signature
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Posted: July 31 2009 at 06:37 |
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I don't like it becasue I feel like almost everyone who does it sounds the exact same. Therefore not very original and very cliche'. That usually goes for the music under the growling as well though I suppose |
My problem, too. But that means, that when there's a growler who sounds unique or different, then I really appreciate it. I like the vocal work of Death, Carcas, and Obituary for instance.
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himtroy
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Posted: July 30 2009 at 22:03 |
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I don't like it becasue I feel like almost everyone who does it sounds the exact same. Therefore not very original and very cliche'. That usually goes for the music under the growling as well though I suppose
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topofsm
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Posted: July 30 2009 at 21:53 |
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Grrrr, how much longer must this thread go on, grrr, grrr, grrrrrrr? 
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In the event that you weren't giving a playful jab at the participants of this discussion, some of us enjoy arguing about stuff like this.  I honestly can't tell, so nothing against you.
I think some people should give an extra listen to BTBAM's Colors. They use all kinds of vocal techniques (both harsh and clean) including screams and growls, and not only do they convey lots of emotions while the lyrics are pretty vague and could be about anything or nothing at all, but they make the beautiful parts even more beautiful. That is one example where I find the use of harsh vocals is nothing short of masterful.
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Failcore
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Posted: July 30 2009 at 16:45 |
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There was growling in the opening track to the Sane Day as well. Only one word, but hey it counts :P
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Posted: July 30 2009 at 16:35 |
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There's growling on the title track of the new Beardfish album. ::hides::
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Posted: July 30 2009 at 16:21 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
Is John Entwistle the first growler?
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Absolute best post
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BLITZKRIEG
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Posted: July 30 2009 at 16:17 |
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I, quite frankly, don't like growling. I know the amount of skill and effort it takes, but there is no tune or melody in it.
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