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jampa17 
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 Posted: November 06 2009 at 14:19 |
 rushfan4 wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this:
Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine)
Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system.
Aceves was NO big name player.
Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already.....
And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want.
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There are a lot more home grown players on the Yankees than they have had in previous years, but there is still the money factor involved in their ability to retain them. Yes, Matsui has always been a Yankee, but he was a star in Japan and the Yankees were able to spend the most money to bring him to New York, so he belongs in the A-Rod, Damon, Texiera, CC, AJ, Mark category.
As far as Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Rivera all being Yankees for their entire careers, that is fine, but again it is the money that has allowed the Yankees to keep these players for their entire careers. Probably more than half of the teams in the league can only afford to retain 1 or 2 of those type of players and in so doing, they are not able to go out and sign CC, Mark, AJ, Matsui, and renew A-Rod's contract.
I would say that there are probably only 4 or 5 teams in the league that can possibly match the Yankees dollar for dollar in spending, but I think most of them are stretched to the max, where the Yankees could probably comfortably spend another $100 million in salaries and still have room to spare. Basically every year though, when a big name free agent is available you can pretty much bet that he is going to end up as a Yankee, a Met, a Red Sox, a Dodger, or an Angel. The next tier of teams is probably the White Sox, the Tigers, the Cardinals, the Phillies, maybe the Mariners. And the rest of the teams are basically around to develop players and then when they reach their prime let them leave and sign big contracts with the aforementioned teams. It will be interesting to see if anything changes with the Cubs under new ownership, because they really should be able to go toe to toe with the Yankees every year.
Teams like the Royals, the Rays, the Marlins, the A's, and the Pirates will probably forever be AAAA minor league teams until a better system is in place. And as far as the Twins go, I have no freakin' idea how they are competitive every year. Ron Gardenhire must be the best manager in the history of the game. But it will be interesting to see how far downhill they go next year without the bounces of the astroturf and the lost flyballs in the dome roof once they move outdoors. |
Hey dude... your'e surely an addicted to sports, don't miss to put it on the vices Thread... jejeje... the Twins rocks man..!!! that's all I have to say... besides that I'm agree with you... The system is a mess right now...
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rushfan4
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:54 |
JJLehto wrote:
EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this:
Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine)
Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system.
Aceves was NO big name player.
Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already.....
And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want.
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There are a lot more home grown players on the Yankees than they have had in previous years, but there is still the money factor involved in their ability to retain them. Yes, Matsui has always been a Yankee, but he was a star in Japan and the Yankees were able to spend the most money to bring him to New York, so he belongs in the A-Rod, Damon, Texiera, CC, AJ, Mark category.
As far as Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Rivera all being Yankees for their entire careers, that is fine, but again it is the money that has allowed the Yankees to keep these players for their entire careers. Probably more than half of the teams in the league can only afford to retain 1 or 2 of those type of players and in so doing, they are not able to go out and sign CC, Mark, AJ, Matsui, and renew A-Rod's contract.
I would say that there are probably only 4 or 5 teams in the league that can possibly match the Yankees dollar for dollar in spending, but I think most of them are stretched to the max, where the Yankees could probably comfortably spend another $100 million in salaries and still have room to spare. Basically every year though, when a big name free agent is available you can pretty much bet that he is going to end up as a Yankee, a Met, a Red Sox, a Dodger, or an Angel. The next tier of teams is probably the White Sox, the Tigers, the Cardinals, the Phillies, maybe the Mariners. And the rest of the teams are basically around to develop players and then when they reach their prime let them leave and sign big contracts with the aforementioned teams. It will be interesting to see if anything changes with the Cubs under new ownership, because they really should be able to go toe to toe with the Yankees every year.
Teams like the Royals, the Rays, the Marlins, the A's, and the Pirates will probably forever be AAAA minor league teams until a better system is in place. And as far as the Twins go, I have no freakin' idea how they are competitive every year. Ron Gardenhire must be the best manager in the history of the game. But it will be interesting to see how far downhill they go next year without the bounces of the astroturf and the lost flyballs in the dome roof once they move outdoors.
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Negoba
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:46 |
I'm not a Yankees fan but they are far from the only team that has bought a series. 1997 Florida Marlins come to mind.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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rushfan4
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:40 |
manofmystery wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
I hate to say it because I am all for free market, but I would really like to see a salary cap in baseball. They did it in Hockey, and now the Red Wings, who used to be the Yankees of the NHL, have been brought back to the pack. They can no longer go out and buy the best players available like they used to before the cap. |
I'd like to point out that they have a salary cap in basketball and only 2-3 teams have a shot at the title each year, and they are the same 2-3 teams every year |
The kicker here is that for superstar NBA players their salaries are just a drop in the bucket compared to the money that they make in endorsements. Michael Jordan made over $100 million a year in endorsements, while his salary was whatever the league maximum was (probably more in the $5 to $10 million dollar range). The big endorsement dollars are going to come from the big cities New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles. LeBron is doing fine in Cleveland, but all the rumors are that he will leave Cleveland after this year to go to New York. Why? Because his endorsement income would probably triple. That is why I find it so odd that the Knicks have been so bad for so many years. They were decent during the Patrick Ewing years, but still never won the title (if my memory is correct). The Pistons had a shot at the title for about 5 or 6 straight years, but those days are now over. From the East it will probably be Cleveland, Boston, or Orlando, and from the West, it will probably be the Lakers again, but maybe San Antonio or Denver.
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jampa17
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:35 |
JJLehto wrote:
EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this:
Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine)
Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system.
Aceves was NO big name player.
Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already.....
And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want.
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Totally agreed... It would be fine to they stop spending that cuantity of money... I feel is too much when one single human being earns more than an entire nation... but we live on an unfair planet... for me is sad... but I'm sure that if the red soxs had the same amount of money the just make the same thing and those who are claiming right now would be glad.. right...???
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:23 |
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EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this:
Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine)
Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system.
Aceves was NO big name player.
Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already.....
And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want.
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manofmystery
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 20:00 |
rushfan4 wrote:
I hate to say it because I am all for free market, but I would really like to see a salary cap in baseball. They did it in Hockey, and now the Red Wings, who used to be the Yankees of the NHL, have been brought back to the pack. They can no longer go out and buy the best players available like they used to before the cap. |
I'd like to point out that they have a salary cap in basketball and only 2-3 teams have a shot at the title each year, and they are the same 2-3 teams every year
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TheCaptain
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 17:17 |
Evolutionary_Sleeper wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
I was waiting for someone to use the whole "Yankees buying a team" thing.
I dont like it either,but that's how it is. You guys know if ANY other team had the same resources they'd do exactly the same thing.
Besides f*ck yall. The Yanks core has been intact for years, and they developed quite a few of their players. CC, AJ, and Mark were just the final pieces to the puzzle. Not to mention all the lower name players they grabbed. Yanks finally built a TEAM this season.
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False. Back when Wedge was with the Indians he would have bought a team full of prospects then trade away the good ones.
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Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal.
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 16:45 |
JJLehto wrote:
I was waiting for someone to use the whole "Yankees buying a team" thing.
I dont like it either,but that's how it is. You guys know if ANY other team had the same resources they'd do exactly the same thing.
Besides f*ck yall. The Yanks core has been intact for years, and they developed quite a few of their players. CC, AJ, and Mark were just the final pieces to the puzzle. Not to mention all the lower name players they grabbed. Yanks finally built a TEAM this season.
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rushfan4
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 16:34 |
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I hate to say it because I am all for free market, but I would really like to see a salary cap in baseball. They did it in Hockey, and now the Red Wings, who used to be the Yankees of the NHL, have been brought back to the pack. They can no longer go out and buy the best players available like they used to before the cap.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 16:31 |
Hey man I don't like it. I wish it wasn't that way....but it is. And like I said the Phillies or ANY team would do the same with the same resources. But really you think I like the fact A-Rod makes more than some countries?  It's not just the financial advantage though, you have to build a team and not just a bunch of players. I think that is the problem with those teams (and the Yanks until last year). Thankfully the NFL has the salary cap so a large market team like the Giants can't go and buy every big name player. Not that it would be effective, (cowboys)
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rushfan4
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 14:36 |
JJLehto wrote:
I was waiting for someone to use the whole "Yankees buying a team" thing.
I dont like it either,but that's how it is. You guys know if ANY other team had the same resources they'd do exactly the same thing.
Besides f*ck yall. The Yanks core has been intact for years, and they developed quite a few of their players. CC, AJ, and Mark were just the final pieces to the puzzle. Not to mention all the lower name players they grabbed. Yanks finally built a TEAM this season.
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Did they not also renew A-Rod's contract for a sum greater than most countries' gross national product? The thing that is most strange about it though is that the Mets, Jets, Knicks, Rangers, and Islanders all have a shot at the same financial resources and advantages, but they all suck. The Giants are the only other New York team that is competitive, but they really don't go out and buy the best players either.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 14:25 |
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I was waiting for someone to use the whole "Yankees buying a team" thing.
I dont like it either,but that's how it is. You guys know if ANY other team had the same resources they'd do exactly the same thing.
Besides f*ck yall. The Yanks core has been intact for years, and they developed quite a few of their players. CC, AJ, and Mark were just the final pieces to the puzzle. Not to mention all the lower name players they grabbed. Yanks finally built a TEAM this season.
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TheCaptain
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 13:12 |
Greg W wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Been a tough 9 years (can't believe I was only 16 when they last won), what with having to watch those #$%^ing *&^%#$%^ers in boston get to celebrate twice, but it's great to see the World Series title back where it belongs.
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You're bitching about 9 years??  I'm a Cubs fan. Try waiting 100 years.Sheesh!
Congrats to the geniuses in NY for spending like a trillion dollars on the team and winning. 
Baseball is f**ked up. Too long of seasons.November 4th is when it ends?? In a few years it will stretch to Thanksgiving! Pitchers and Catchers will be reporting in 11 weeks.!!?  . Selig has really destroyed Baseball.
I'm done with it. |
I am a fan of Cleveland sports. I win for constantly being depressed.
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Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal.
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Greg W
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 13:04 |
manofmystery wrote:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Been a tough 9 years (can't believe I was only 16 when they last won), what with having to watch those #$%^ing *&^%#$%^ers in boston get to celebrate twice, but it's great to see the World Series title back where it belongs.
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You're bitching about 9 years?? I'm a Cubs fan. Try waiting 100 years.Sheesh!
Congrats to the geniuses in NY for spending like a trillion dollars on the team and winning.
Baseball is f**ked up. Too long of seasons.November 4th is when it ends?? In a few years it will stretch to Thanksgiving! Pitchers and Catchers will be reporting in 11 weeks.!!? . Selig has really destroyed Baseball.
I'm done with it.
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Negoba
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 12:34 |
Yawn Yankees....
But my team has only itself to blame...ugliest implosion I've ever seen.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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rushfan4
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 12:27 |
Drew wrote:
Damn Yankees............. |
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manofmystery
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 00:28 |
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Been a tough 9 years (can't believe I was only 16 when they last won), what with having to watch those #$%^ing *&^%#$%^ers in boston get to celebrate twice, but it's great to see the World Series title back where it belongs.
been a good year for me sports wise |
Time always wins.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 04 2009 at 23:35 |
Evolutionary_Sleeper wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Sorry for not getting here instantly. Had to go harass all the belligerent Phillies "fans" that were around here yelling.
Phillies played well, gave us a run for the money but in the end...
Number TWENTY SEVEN!
Glad to see Mo get another one, and especially Jeter. No one deserves it more
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 Get em JJ! Congrats to the Yanks! WOO!
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To be fair. I didnt start anything. Others were running around yelling F*CK THE YANKEES! I just struck back!  And out here is Pittsburgh country. I guesstimate half these people are bandwagoners or just Yankee haters. One more time. Phillies played well, gave me a scare when they took game 5. But Yanks just played better. Charlie Manuel seems like a true class act, guy acted how a Champion should go out. New York Yankees championship number TWENTY SEVEN
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Posted: November 04 2009 at 23:23 |
Damn Yankees.............
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