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el dingo
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Posted: November 01 2008 at 12:27 |
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Jared
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Posted: November 01 2008 at 05:19 |
cacho wrote:
fandango wrote:
and yet, when a thread is started, we quickly turn our attentions to debates on the levels of progressiveness in Whitesnake's discography... now, c'mon folks, firstly Whitesnake are not, in any stretch of the imagination progressive, neither do they need any further recommendations...
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I'm sure you haven't heard Lovehunter and Ready an' Willing, and if you have you should definitely realise that these albums are highly recomended for Deep Purple fans from MK 3 and 4. If you haven't heard them, please don't bash the band just for their junky side of the 80's. It would be like bashing Genesis or Yes just considering their 80's albums, and that would be so mistaken.
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oh good grief, Cacho....
You can't have been brought up liking Rock music in the UK, and be of a *certain* age without having heard Whitesmake's discography...truly inescapable, and yes, I've heard it all at one time or another and owned most of it, even though I admit they were never a favourite of mine...
I said absolutely nothing about them in relation to whether they would be enjoyed by fans of DP Mk 3 or not (and yes, I see an argument for Trouble, Lovehunter & R&W containing some of the bluesy progressiveness of Burn & Stormbringer, but with a generally harder edge) ...only that as a band, their discography cannot be considered as being 'progressive'.
But, all that is besides the point, because what I wouldn't want to see is for the initial idea behind this thread being subverted to become an debate on the possible progressiveness of generally accepted non-prog bands, which have had a terrific amount of exposure and album sales over the past 30 years. It would be a pointless waste of an opportunity.
my (obviously misinterpreted) quip about Coverdale was a suggestion that there are many other, newer bands out there, which truly fit into the HP category, which certainly could do with the exposure. And if a thread entitled 'Heavy Prog (and related) appreciated thread' isn't the place for that to happen, then I really don't know where, on this godforsaken forum, such a place can exist...
Right, that's truly enough on Whitesnake...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Raff
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Posted: November 01 2008 at 03:39 |
Well, David, think of what a splash we would've made by adding both Hard Meat and Head Machine.... HP would've definitely become PA's most X-rated subgenre !
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 01 2008 at 03:37 |
I distinctly remember being relieved when we decided Hard Meat was not prog enough to be added
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Raff
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Posted: November 01 2008 at 03:30 |
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Mandrakeroot
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Italian Prog Specialist
Joined: March 01 2006
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Posted: November 01 2008 at 02:38 |
Hey... Another good album (and band)... In Psychedelic heavy Prog is this:
JUNIOR'S EYES: 'BATTERSEA POWER STATION'
featuring: Rick Wakeman
This is the backing band of David Bowie's 'Space Oddity'!
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Mandrakeroot
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Italian Prog Specialist
Joined: March 01 2006
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Posted: November 01 2008 at 02:34 |
cacho wrote:
My suggestion on Whitesnake being "Heavy Prog related" was just a joke for some. While the "discussion" with Fandango(Jared) isn't. From what you said, he should have known more than me, saying that Whitesnake is highly recomendable for Deep Purple fans from MK 3 and 4, talking about their early era, which Raff talked well. And I was just supposing that he hadn't heard them, and even I said if HE HAS he must know they're highly recomendable, etc, etc...
Anyways, listening to Octavarium, not heavy Prog but sort of When it's finished I'll grab Demons & Wizards |
Yes, Whitesnake are for DP MK III and MK IV fans... Also because DP's 'Come Taste The Band' is the first Whitesnake album (for style).
But I think that Rainbow (because first 4 albums are HP) and Ian Gillan Band (3 studio and 1 live album in totally Jazz Prog Rock field) are better for a Progster!
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The Quiet One
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Joined: January 16 2008
Location: Argentina
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 20:11 |
micky wrote:
cacho wrote:
fandango wrote:
and yet, when a thread is started, we quickly turn our attentions to debates on the levels of progressiveness in Whitesnake's discography... now, c'mon folks, firstly Whitesnake are not, in any stretch of the imagination progressive, neither do they need any further recommendations...
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I'm sure you haven't heard Lovehunter and Ready an' Willing, and if you have you should definitely realise that these albums are highly recomended for Deep Purple fans from MK 3 and 4. If you haven't heard them, please don't bash the band just for their junky side of the 80's.
It would be like bashing Genesis or Yes just considering their 80's albums, and that would be so mistaken.
| *wags finger at you*bad move brother... Jared has been listening to this stuff since your parents were kids Pablo. Never assume that a member.. and especially a a collab who gain collab status since they tend to know music pretty well.... speak on groups and albums if they haven't heard them. The quickest way to look the fool is to shoot your mouth off and you haven't heard it. don't mistake not agreeing with not having heard.... you wouldn't do that to Raff now would you.. trust me.. she has hard them all...
Raff wrote:
OK, guys, I love those Whitesnake albums, but I think that
calling them even Prog-Related is a stretch. Though they're great
records in the great British hard-blues tradition,their level of
progressiveness is next to nil, in my humble opinion. |
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My suggestion on Whitesnake being "Heavy Prog related" was just a joke for some.
While the "discussion" with Fandango(Jared) isn't. From what you said, he should have known more than me, saying that Whitesnake is highly recomendable for Deep Purple fans from MK 3 and 4, talking about their early era, which Raff talked well. And I was just supposing that he hadn't heard them, and even I said if HE HAS he must know they're highly recomendable, etc, etc...
Anyways, listening to Octavarium, not heavy Prog but sort of When it's finished I'll grab Demons & Wizards
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 19:44 |
BTW guys did you heard this album:
Edited by zafreth - October 31 2008 at 19:53
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Mandrakeroot
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Italian Prog Specialist
Joined: March 01 2006
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 19:33 |
zafreth wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
zafreth wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
I've heard that "Growers Of Mushroom" in it's original print is worth several hundred pounds by now.
Hey Andrea, I noticed you had Fuzzy Duck on earlier - did they print that on cd? |
Now that this go to Andrea but i been to step my nose and answer you.
Yes the Fuzzy duck is on CD, i believe that BGO records had a reissue
And Repertoire Records too. |
Ah yeah. Repertoire is great for that! I have some Atomic Rooster remastered by them and I've seen Begger's Opera and that kind of stuff. Thanks for the tip
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Yes that label have very good cd's i onw many of them
and you're welcome |
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Alberto Muñoz
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Location: Mexico
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 13:29 |
King By-Tor wrote:
zafreth wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
I've heard that "Growers Of Mushroom" in it's original print is worth several hundred pounds by now.
Hey Andrea, I noticed you had Fuzzy Duck on earlier - did they print that on cd? |
Now that this go to Andrea but i been to step my nose and answer you.
Yes the Fuzzy duck is on CD, i believe that BGO records had a reissue
And Repertoire Records too. |
Ah yeah. Repertoire is great for that! I have some Atomic Rooster remastered by them and I've seen Begger's Opera and that kind of stuff. Thanks for the tip
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Yes that label have very good cd's i onw many of them
and you're welcome
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Queen By-Tor
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Joined: September 13 2006
Location: Xanadu
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 13:27 |
zafreth wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
I've heard that "Growers Of Mushroom" in it's original print is worth several hundred pounds by now.
Hey Andrea, I noticed you had Fuzzy Duck on earlier - did they print that on cd? |
Now that this go to Andrea but i been to step my nose and answer you.
Yes the Fuzzy duck is on CD, i believe that BGO records had a reissue
And Repertoire Records too. |
Ah yeah. Repertoire is great for that! I have some Atomic Rooster remastered by them and I've seen Begger's Opera and that kind of stuff. Thanks for the tip
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Logan
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 13:20 |
Mandrakeroot wrote:
Logan wrote:
Mandrakeroot, I'm not sure if that High Tide and Atomic Rooster recommendation was a specific response to my looking for something in Heavy Prog similar to Maxwell's Demon request (probably not, it was just that that post directly followed my request), but I want to say that Sea Shanties is one of my absolute favourite classic heavy prog albums (and the follow-up album by High Tide is awesome). Good review, incidentally. Atomic Rooster has great stuff too.
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I just wanted to give advice on good collectible album! |
They're good recommendations!
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 13:17 |
King By-Tor wrote:
I've heard that "Growers Of Mushroom" in it's original print is worth several hundred pounds by now.
Hey Andrea, I noticed you had Fuzzy Duck on earlier - did they print that on cd? |
Now that this go to Andrea but i been to step my nose and answer you.
Yes the Fuzzy duck is on CD, i believe that BGO records had a reissue
And Repertoire Records too.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 11:02 |
I've heard that "Growers Of Mushroom" in it's original print is worth several hundred pounds by now.
Hey Andrea, I noticed you had Fuzzy Duck on earlier - did they print that on cd?
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Mandrakeroot
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Italian Prog Specialist
Joined: March 01 2006
Location: San Foca, Friûl
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 06:33 |
zafreth wrote:
and what about Leaf hound, wonderful band do you agree?? |
Today I will purchase 'Freelance fiend\Too many rock'n'roll times' (7" single from 2005). It is not the maximum but... I am sure that I like it. It is a live single!
Then I will know what I will think about Leaf Hound!
Edited by Mandrakeroot - October 31 2008 at 06:34
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Abstrakt
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 06:30 |
Heavy Prog! Wooooo!
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 06:28 |
Logan wrote:
Mandrakeroot, I'm not sure if that High Tide and Atomic Rooster recommendation was a specific response to my looking for something in Heavy Prog similar to Maxwell's Demon request (probably not, it was just that that post directly followed my request), but I want to say that Sea Shanties is one of my absolute favourite classic heavy prog albums (and the follow-up album by High Tide is awesome). Good review, incidentally. Atomic Rooster has great stuff too.
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I just wanted to give advice on good collectible album!
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 21:19 |
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 21:14 |
and what about Leaf hound, wonderful band do you agree??
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