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Drummerboy
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Posted: March 25 2009 at 07:18 |
Interesting. Yes, keyboards do dominate guitar. But a key part of their sound, one that helps really set them apart is Palmer's drums. They function more as another instrument than the role of drums in almost any other band, the esteemed Bill Bruford included. Palmer really took it to a new level of integrating the drums into the music, making his leg of the stool just as strong as the others.
BTW, the original purpose of the thread, to get BSS the recognition it deserves, is worthy!
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Eapo_q42
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Posted: March 24 2009 at 21:44 |
For the record, before I say any of this, let me state: i DO own and enjoy ELP albums. I have their S/T, Pictures at an exhibition, tarkus, trilogy and BSS.
That said, even though I always enjoy them, I do rank them below the other great bands. I would rank them below Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf Generator....and maybe a few others.
Now, that's not really an insult to ELP so much as a compliment to all the others. But really, being ranked below those bands is not so bad, because they're all so amazing.
Anyway, my real point here is that a lot of people say they dislike ELP because of the pomp and bloatedness. Quite a few have already said so in this thread. I don't really think that's the case, for me. I love pomp. I will repeatedly listen to Journey To The Centre Of The Earth, for example.
For me, it's just their sound. Too heavily based on Emersons various keys, for one thing. Not enough guitar, in general, for another. Another problem is Greg Lake. He's a fantastic singer, technically, but sometimes I find him to be a boring vocalist, even though he can hit every note every time.
So what does it come down to? Great composition, great instrumental skills, average overall "sound". That's just me, but I have friends who feel the same way.
Ultimately, it's this issue of "sound" that stops them from being an immortal band, and ensures they always remain as a "damn good" band in my opinion.
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mr.cub
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Posted: March 24 2009 at 20:56 |
Just thought I'd chime in. Well I really love ELP but I have trouble with their albums, particularly which one is my favorite. I posted elsewhere that I liked Trilogy the best and I'll stand by that now. I still enjoy their other early albums and I guess its a matter of their strength that I have trouble deciding which is best. I too enjoy their 'sloppiness' and marvel at the fact that 3 musicians can do so much. Anyway, happy listening!
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 24 2009 at 04:21 |
Brain Salad is sheer inspiration.. that said, I wouldn't really call ELP tight, particularly compared to other prog bands, but that was part of the fun
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Roj
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Posted: March 24 2009 at 04:06 |
threefates wrote:
himtroy wrote:
By time they got to Brain Salad Surgerey I feel that they had lost the tightness that they originally had. |
Uhh... maybe you should listen to Toccata again! |
For me, Brain Salad Surgery is one of THE greatest prog albums of them all. The band were as tight as the proverbial duck's backside, right at the top of their game. It has brilliant material, it's pompous, overblown, everything. One of prog's pinnacles.
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Big Ears
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 05:20 |
Re the 'The Royal Philarmonic orchestra plays ELP', there was a covers album featuring Glenn Hughes. I cannot remember the title and have never heard the album, but I would expect it to be really good (I do not think it was orchestral).
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Big Ears
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 05:15 |
I think this thread is a good idea. If I had the requisite IT knowledge, I would start an 'official' ELP discussion website. ELP/ Yes are at the pinnacle of progressive rock and should feature prominently in a website purporting to be a prog(ressive rock) archive.
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Big Ears
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 05:08 |
Thank heavens you're still here threefates - I thought you had left us!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 18 2009 at 13:23 |
crimson87 wrote:
Do you know if there is avilable a record like: "The Royal Philarmonic orchestra plays ELP"? (Invented title)
I know Queen and Pink Floyd had their songs covered by an orchestra. |
I've got a few of those orchestra covers prog band albums. Seem like there is no point for that when it comes to ELP.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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crimson87
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Posted: March 18 2009 at 13:20 |
Do you know if there is avilable a record like: "The Royal Philarmonic orchestra plays ELP"? (Invented title)
I know Queen and Pink Floyd had their songs covered by an orchestra.
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: January 29 2009 at 14:46 |
I like a lot ELP !!!
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threefates
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Posted: January 29 2009 at 14:29 |
himtroy wrote:
By time they got to Brain Salad Surgerey I feel that they had lost the tightness that they originally had. |
Uhh... maybe you should listen to Toccata again!
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THIS IS ELP
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Drummerboy
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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:07 |
For sheer technical virtuosity I really don't think any other band can match them, person for person. What they did with all that talent can sometimes be questioned....For example I don't think they really had very much to say, lyrics-wise, which is (at least partly) why they brought in help for that. Yes, some of it was self-indulgent as has been noted. But when their first album came out, it really did break new ground, in terms of approach, influences, technique, you name it. "Take a Pebble" still sends chills down my spine. Carl Palmer played in a unique way, where the drums were instruments themselves, rather than beat-keepers, as had been the case. They continued to experiment and actively reached across from the prog world towards mainstream rock (which is where some of the criticism comes in, maybe) and were among the very top headliners of their day. BSS was the culmination of their work, then things became more hit-or-miss. But there is no way to deny their place aong the real giants in the pantheon. (BTW I also liked Genesis!)
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himtroy
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Posted: January 21 2009 at 14:18 |
I love Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, and definitely consider them one of my favorite bands. But come on...Brain Salad Surgerey? I think the S/T, Tarkus, Trilogy, and Pictures are all so much better. By time they got to Brain Salad Surgerey I feel that they had lost the tightness that they originally had. It's like Yes...they became way too self indulgent and just started doing things just for the sake of showing that they are capable.
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Adams Bolero
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Posted: January 18 2009 at 17:30 |
ELP were marvelous despite there overindulgence.There music has not been matched since its just a pity greg lakes beautiful voice was underused.
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tony kayes headband
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Posted: January 12 2009 at 01:31 |
I was watching the Pictures At An Exhibition DVD yesterday thinking to myself,"Yeah,Keith.Play that muhfuggin' Moog!!".
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Cactus Choir
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Posted: January 09 2009 at 18:37 |
Lost Follower wrote:
ELP were. I'm sad to say and wish in no way to insult anyone here, the worst excess of over blown 70's self indulgent drivel. A good enough reason on their own (along with Yes) for the Sex Pistols to form.
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You are Charles Shaar Murray and I claim my five pounds!
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"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
"He's up the pub"
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Progger
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Posted: January 09 2009 at 17:59 |
The top three bands were!
YES
ELP
PINK FLOYD
There was never a big five. Genesis's fame came later in the 80's!
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Big Ears
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Posted: January 09 2009 at 06:33 |
I love ELP. Love may be blind but it is not deaf.
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crimson87
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 20:53 |
Jake Kobrin wrote:
crimson87 wrote:
febus wrote:
big, loud, bombastic and overblown.
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That's the way I like my prog.When you put these 4 words together magic happens.
What the heck is wrong with those people?? Seems they had too much prog metal exposure.
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Hah! Have you heard Ayreon??? It's all four of those... and I don't really like it.
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Since I don't hear much metal I never thought of that one but you ' re right V The New mytholgy suite by Symphony X is BIG LOUD BOMBASTIC AND OVERBLOWN. And I can't even stand that cheesy intro.
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