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Points: 4079 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2007 at 08:59
Originally posted by Paradox Paradox wrote:

The more popular an album or artist is, the more reviews they will get and therefore certain albums will be elevated through the ranks. Obviously if enough people value an album so much then it can't be overrated.
It is surely rated so highly for a reason, whether or not you see it.
 
Popularity pushes people to buy certain albums.  This exposure is why say 95% of the users here own WYWH, versus the 25% who might own, say, a UK album.
 
Are albums over-rated? I'd rather say the lesser known albums are not given a fair shake.
 
 
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Points: 1059 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2007 at 07:40

The more popular an album or artist is, the more reviews they will get and therefore certain albums will be elevated through the ranks. Obviously if enough people value an album so much then it can't be overrated.

It is surely rated so highly for a reason, whether or not you see it.
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Points: 1494 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2007 at 17:34
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Well then.  OK.  I always thought it was .  What is advanced composition?
Longer, more thought out, using different techniques besides a verse riff, a chorus riff, and a bridge guitar solo. Sheer technical complexity is often used but is not necessary; Floyd stayed away from it because of their sense of atmosphere (and, to be fair, they did not have extremely good musicianship).
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Points: 5109 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2007 at 15:40
You have to stop looking at the top 100 as being the definition of greatness. I could supply you with a whole list of worthy albums that almost no one has heard of. I suggest getting away from the well know titles, and doing some exploring.
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Points: 4079 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2007 at 15:11
Well then.  OK.  I always thought it was .  What is advanced composition?
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Points: 1494 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2007 at 15:01
Pink Floyd were definately not included as prog restroactively, and I have the interviews with David Gilmour to prove it. Advanced composition was what first defined prog, not technical complexity.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 17:47
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Heptade Heptade wrote:

I really like Wish You Were Here. Not prog? That kid of strains the boundaries of credibility, doesn't it? Pink Floyd helped invent the genre!
 
That is news to me.  I thought the pretentious artsy types were the originators of Prog.  The ones who played lofty difficult pieces.  You could, however, say they helped invent Space or Psychedelic Rock.
 
I think PF was an after the fact inclusion. 
 
edit: I also think their laurels have much to do with their inclusion. No one discounts the importance of the band to other artists following them, but I have to admit, when I first came here, I was a bit surprised about their inclusion. I am seriously trying to think of a band that plays with simplicity and ranks high among the great Prog musicians outside of PF. One of the true elements of Prog has time and again been complexity of the pieces as a band.
When Pink Floyd were releasing Atom Heart Mother, Meddle, Dark Side Of The Moon and Wish You Were Here during the first half of the Seventies they were regarded as being a part of the Progressive scene by those in the Progressive music scene and by those Prog-fans buying the records.
 
This is not hearsay, or inclusion after the fact, that is what happened -  I was one those prog-fans, one who also bought Yes, Genesis, Van Der Graaf Generator, King Crimson, Atomic Rooster, Jethro Tull and Tangerine Dream albums.
 
All this nonsense about complexity never entered into it - that is a modern affectation and a fact after the inclusion. If Pink Floyd are not Prog by modern standards and "rules" then the either rules and standards are wrong, or it is the interprettation of those rules that is in error.


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Points: 427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 17:09
Hence the much-reviled wide ranging scope of our beloved ProgArchives!

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Points: 427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 17:08
Well, now that depends on whether you think musical complexity is a necessary ingredient of progressive music. I don't, personally. I think that's just one strand in this ball of yarn we call "prog".
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Points: 4079 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 15:59
Originally posted by Heptade Heptade wrote:

I really like Wish You Were Here. Not prog? That kid of strains the boundaries of credibility, doesn't it? Pink Floyd helped invent the genre!
 
That is news to me.  I thought the pretentious artsy types were the originators of Prog.  The ones who played lofty difficult pieces.  You could, however, say they helped invent Space or Psychedelic Rock.
 
I think PF was an after the fact inclusion. 
 
edit: I also think their laurels have much to do with their inclusion. No one discounts the importance of the band to other artists following them, but I have to admit, when I first came here, I was a bit surprised about their inclusion. I am seriously trying to think of a band that plays with simplicity and ranks high among the great Prog musicians outside of PF. One of the true elements of Prog has time and again been complexity of the pieces as a band.
 
 
 
 
 


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Points: 427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 15:52
Darn...I tried to get you, but you've got an answer for everything, you glib son of a gun.

I really like Wish You Were Here. Not prog? That kid of strains the boundaries of credibility, doesn't it? Pink Floyd helped invent the genre!
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Points: 1494 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 15:44
Originally posted by Heptade Heptade wrote:

I rather agree with much of what Ghandi says, and I appreciate his/her? forthrightness, but...as for the spelling, I hope your username isn't fashioned after Mohandas K. Gandhi, because if so, you can't spell either!
His (there are no girls on the internet Wink), and the mispelling is intentional to respect the memory of Gandhi more, and so there is a slightly lower chance of my being sent to Hell for naming myself after that video clip. I've heard, though, that it could be spelt either way; I think it's because Indian (or whatever) uses characters that aren't even close to English's. Thank you for the compliment as well. :)
 
Yes, UHF is an underappreciated classic. But stupid Raiders of the Lost Ark had to come out at the same time and ruin its commercial success. If you enjoy a bit of "dumb" humor, you should rent it immediately. I can't say I'm still a fan of Weird Al's music, but that movie is genius.


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Points: 11682 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 15:13
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

No more Mr. Passive Resistance! (Please ignore the subtitles and low rez and darkness)
 
Moderating my other forum has made me mean. It's not my fault! D:
A classic movie LOL
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Points: 427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 15:02
I rather agree with much of what Ghandi says, and I appreciate his/her? forthrightness, but...as for the spelling, I hope your username isn't fashioned after Mohandas K. Gandhi, because if so, you can't spell either!
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Points: 1494 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 14:51
No more Mr. Passive Resistance! (Please ignore the subtitles and low rez and darkness)
 
Moderating my other forum has made me mean. It's not my fault! D:
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Points: 2492 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 14:43
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

Ghandi's not such a pacifist, huh? LOL

 
I was just thinking the same thing. The name must be a sarcastic one, eh?
 
 
I'm always in the mood for some irony.
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Points: 2492 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 14:43
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

I stand my ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ian, shut up. Your ground is eroding beneath you. Why does this affect you so? What will you do in life when a legitimate problem surfaces? You don't have to agree with the list. Hell, my top ten would have one and only one Gensis album, but I'm not going around telling others that they're flawed individuals. You need to relax. Might I suggest listening to some Pink Floyd?Wink
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Points: 4079 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 14:37
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

Ghandi's not such a pacifist, huh? LOL

 
I was just thinking the same thing. The name must be a sarcastic one, eh?
 
 
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Points: 2492 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 14:35

Ghandi's not such a pacifist, huh? LOL
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Points: 1494 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2007 at 14:28
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

your not rude at all!
I wouldn't have to be if you would stop saying stupid things (it would also help if you improved your grasp and/or use of basic spelling and grammar); for example, this unnecessarily dramatic, ineffective, and completely superfluous thread, or the amazingly redundant "WHO KILLED GENESIS?" thread, or the time you called someone stupid for disliking Yes, or the time you mercilessly butchered the spelling of "favorite"...twice (not to mention your apostrophe placement).
 
Am I being mean? Absolutely. However, sometimes that is the only way to get through to people.


Edited by Ghandi 2 - June 26 2007 at 14:32
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