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The Lost Chord
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 20:30 |
NaturalScience wrote:
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If you feel you need to artificially alter your consciousness, it is better to figure why you want to in the first place. |
Most insightful thing I've read in a while, thanks.
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Well, all of the scholars ive read and people I have influenced on learning about psychedelics would most certainly have an understanding of "why" they want to experience and mystical journey or insight into these substances.
Artificial they are not; psychedelics are usually synthesized from natural things, like hell, MDMA comes from sassafras plants, LSD from Ergot fungus, Marijuana and Cannabis, DMT is in your damn body ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) ....the list goes on!
I think most of them were put here for humans to experience alternate realities, it is God and natures will.
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 20:25 |
This is far, far from the worst drug you could ever take. That is ridiculous!
It really boils down to the person and the reason for use, but I am not denying some studies and proven information on the less desirable effects of MDMA, and the truly harmful effects, although not nearly as harmful as other drugs.
It is recreational vs. entheogenic use. For me, MDMA is not a drug, it is an entheogen, as are all psychoactive substances. Drug is such an awful word and just gives people a bad taste right away.
I agree with szygy, but I would say all of that is the obvious, NO drug like this should ever be taken recreationaly as you had taken it. I certainly wouldnt recommend doing any psychoactive drug recreationaly, that goes for ALL OF THEM.
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 20:24 |
bhikkhu wrote:
If you feel you need to artificially alter your consciousness, it is better to figure why you want to in the first place. |
Most insightful thing I've read in a while, thanks.
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 20:23 |
Certif1ed wrote:
It can make the user feel dehydrated, and drink a lot of water to compensate. As a result, it is possible to drown yourself.
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No, it's the other way around. It makes the user dehydrated but it also makes him significantly decrease his "attention to thirst," so ravers are taken to the hospital for severe dehydration because they're dancing and using a lot of water, but not not drinking anything because they don't feel thirsty. What you're talking about is people overcompensating for this fact because they don't want to be dehydrated but can't feel whether or not they have drank enough water. So it's not really a direct side effect of the drug, but an attempt to mitigate the side effect.
Unfortunately, I have heard that raves are coming back into fashion in England, which means they will probably spread the US, and then we'll have more kids blowing their brains out with drugs. From what I have heard, ecstasy at raves often leads to acid and other stronger drugs that cause more damage to the brain.
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 18:23 |
Some sensible and intelligent posts on this thread, particularly from Blacksword and Certified. I'd like to add a couple of points of my own;
First, I really don't recommend it.
One of the dangers is that it sets up patterns of repetitive behaviour - if you're chewing gum as it kicks in, you will continue to chew manically for the next 12 hours and your jaw will ache mightily for the next few days. If you're smoking, you will go on to chain smoke for the next 12 hours and will sound like Tom Waits with laryngitis for the next few days. If you're dancing, you will dance like a bell end for the next 12 hours, possibly causing your body to overheat, suffering severe to fatal consequences (which is why raves introduced chill out rooms and encouraged people to use them). This can also cause people to overcompensate by drinking too much water - your body's natural regulating sysytems are being overridden by the e so you don't stop even when you've had too much.
Assuming you sidestep most of the physical side effects (and if you're not using it as a dance drug the dangers are diminished but not eliminated) it's like any psychoactive substance; you don't know how strong it is or where it's going to take you until it's in your system, and once it's in there you're stuck with the major effects for at least 12 hours and the after effects for days (at least) afterwards. So, you might feel like a conduit for all the joy in the universe, like you're channeling the spirits of Jesus, Buddha and Elvis Presley, blessing all those around you and communing with the Godhead (but you'll look a total pillock to anybody not off their heads). Alternatively, you might have a major panic attack, temporarily forget how to breathe, have to be smuggled out of a club by your frends who will spend an anxious 12 hours or so as you experience rushes of intense paranoia, totally convinced you're about to die, or possibly that you're already dead and you're on your way to hell. Or you might wind up hospitalised, sectioned or, in extreme cases, dead. Assuming none of the last 3 happen, it will take at least a week for your fragile psyche to reassemble itself, possibly longer.
And yes, I'm speaking from experience here (though luckily my bad experiences stopped short of hospitalisation). I had a few good nights, one blindingly good night and without a shadow of a doubt the worst night of my life - and the few weeks afterwards weren't much fun either - and ultimately it wasn't worth it; even after a good night it would take a day or two to recover, and after a bad night you don't want to think about it.
As I said, I really don't recommend it.
Edited by Syzygy - May 14 2007 at 18:25
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 18:22 |
JJLehto wrote:
True. But stil, they technically do the same thing then?
And Ecstasy is something I wold never try in my life... |
I had to lear the hard way that just because it is prescribed it is still a drug.
I have been diagnosed with depression and was put on anti-depressants, I became addicted and I am probably worse off now than before. (the side effects are terrable)
I also have had similar experiances with rittalin though I have now stopped taking it (I flush it down the toilet evry morning)
on a similar note wow FOABP is amazing, I could really relate.
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 18:17 |
True. But stil, they technically do the same thing then?
And Ecstasy is something I wold never try in my life...
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 17:44 |
enteredwinter wrote:
Just want to throw in my two cents, as a former biology major and high school biology teacher:
Ecstacy, based on studies and textbooks I have read, is perhaps the worst drug anyone could ever take, that I've ever heard of being used recreationally. It literally destroys your brain, not like the commonly said "Don't drink, it kills brain cells!" kind of thing that is probably relatively minimal for most people, I mean there are studies that show substantial brain shrinking in certain areas of the brains of people who use this stuff regularly.
I personally make it a rule never to intake any drug, legal or illegal (I mean, I even go so far as to never use aspirin), but taking Ecstacy may actually be the worst choice you could ever make in terms of drug use.
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careful with the studies , eugene. Some have been shown to have studied Ecstasy only to have been rescinded when the drug samples turned out to be adulterated, i.e. not Ecstasy. Of course, the point then is that you likely aren't getting "real" ecstasy any more unless you can make it yourself. THAT is scary enough !
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 17:41 |
JJLehto wrote:
Sorry if this is off topic, but I read how MDMA's (ecstasy) main effects is it inhibits the reuptake of Serotonin. That reminds me of Psychology....
Isn't what anti-depressants do? SSRI selective SEROTONIN REUPTAKE INHIBIOTOR
![Shocked](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif) ![Confused](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif) I don't like the sound of that. |
Big difference. SSRIs are used by people who are diagnosed with depression, therefore need them to balance their moods. Already mood stable people (now there's a mouthful) would get a surfeit of serotonin, thus the "high".
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 16:33 |
Just want to throw in my two cents, as a former biology major and high school biology teacher:
Ecstacy, based on studies and textbooks I have read, is perhaps the worst drug anyone could ever take, that I've ever heard of being used recreationally. It literally destroys your brain, not like the commonly said "Don't drink, it kills brain cells!" kind of thing that is probably relatively minimal for most people, I mean there are studies that show substantial brain shrinking in certain areas of the brains of people who use this stuff regularly.
I personally make it a rule never to intake any drug, legal or illegal (I mean, I even go so far as to never use aspirin), but taking Ecstacy may actually be the worst choice you could ever make in terms of drug use.
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 15:59 |
Its psychoactive, not addictive, and is ofcourse never looked at beyond the point of recreational use. It should not be taken recreationaly, it is bad in that sense as are all psych substances.
MDMA has a substancial amount of beneficial purposes in many different subcatagories....especially psychotherapy. This, again, goes for almost every psychoactive substance.
Enjoy the knowledge, or any innterest you have in these things, keep reading up on it! ![Big%20smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 15:18 |
NutterAlert wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
I've tried other stuff, but mainly stuff that grows out of the ground.
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I assume you are talking about marrows. ![LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Nah - teabags and banana peels!
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 12:41 |
Sorry if this is off topic, but I read how MDMA's (ecstasy) main effects is it inhibits the reuptake of Serotonin. That reminds me of Psychology....
Isn't what anti-depressants do? SSRI selective SEROTONIN REUPTAKE INHIBIOTOR
![Shocked](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif) ![Confused](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif) I don't like the sound of that.
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 12:40 |
I got to talks to my docter. My SSRI, Mood Stabilizer, Atypical Antipsychotic et al, are not delivering these goodies. Am I missing something ? I read that LSD mimics the effect of serotonin on the brain. Not that I'm out looking for the stuff though. Reality is challenging enough, without giving yourself a colour-filled mental handicap ![Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif) P.S. Where's the "add Napalm Death to Folk Prog thread" ? I have an argument that they would better fit another subgenre .....
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 12:30 |
Blacksword wrote:
A girl I know was sectioned after doing too much acid many years ago. She suffered a complete mental collapse after bumping into the 'ghost of herself' at a gig. |
Reminds me of a line from Porcupine Tree's 'Voyage 34' which goes something like "he met himself coming up a down staircase, and the encounter was crushing"
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 12:19 |
Uh oh! Drugs! It dosnt matter how civilized/respectful we keep this. Eventually it will get out of hand and be deleted, its inevitable.
Never tried it, don't want to. I THINK it can kill you the first time too.
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 11:09 |
Certif1ed wrote:
I've tried other stuff, but mainly stuff that grows out of the ground.
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I assume you are talking about marrows. ![LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) To quote someone very famous 'I am ultimately bored by endless ecstacy'
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