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darksinger 
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 Posted: September 05 2006 at 21:05 |
 sleeper wrote:
Peter Rideout wrote:
darksinger wrote:
at least that "singing" is preferable to jon anderson's sissy vocals |
 Do you really think so? (Ah, when the prog and metal worlds collide....  )
And does the fact that Anderson has a higher-pitched singing voice than most really make him a sissy? (To be completely honest, I found his voice hard to get into at first, as a young teen, too. But that's his real voice -- he's not distorting it to sound like an orc on helium, at least!)
If Anderson is a sissy, then Geddy Lee must be an absolute flamer, and many "screaming" metal-type singers must be complete panty-waisted girly men! 
All a matter of taste, I guess -- some folks actually enjoy pain, and perhaps that's just how 'he-men" sing, and perhaps I lack the requisite massive levels of testosterone to "get it."
Or perhaps that type of "singing" is just painful (and not just for the singer), and not worthy of being called singing....
Can we compromise, and just call that a type of very specialized "vocalizing?" (I can fake a demon or monster voice too, but I'll bet that 99% of the people on planet earth wouldn't normally call that stuff "singing." I think most would find it totally laughable (that's why that clip is on the web, after all), and extremely irritating.
Just for fun, imagine singing like that in church! 
Still, no offense -- it's just art, and I was only kidding with the "dragged out and shot" remark. 
(Listening to that stuff is punishment enough for you!) |
Me thinks someone took the bait
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he hit the bait so hard, in fact, he damn near took the fishing pole out of my hands...
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:22 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Is my "vomiting into a mic" concept really that far fetched? |
I think Slipknot actually did that the first time I saw them
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sleeper
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:18 |
^I await with baited breath Peter. As for vocals like that, it can only get better (cant get much worse). Note this is my personal opinion, I just dont like them.
Edited by sleeper - September 05 2006 at 18:20
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:17 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Me thinks someone took the bait
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Hook, line and stinker....
But you didn't use this little guy:
 Wah!
Anyway, I still say that stuff is FUNNY, in a painful kind of way. Assuming someone much younger than me, still -- how can anyone take vocals like that seriously? Does it just relect and reinforce a very bleak, angry state of mind (is it cathartic, perhaps), or do kids only get into that stuff to shock and piss off their parents? Is it a case of "it feels good when I stop"?
Also seriously, if each generation comes up with art to rebel against and shock the previous one, then what, in gawd's name, will the kids of peole who like that stuff come up with? Is my "vomiting into a mic" concept really that far fetched? How about singing out one's arse?
Wtih art, can we never fairly say 'No, sorry, that's total CRAP"? (We say such things about lots of pop here all the time.)
Debate, folks: can art objectively be "bad?" What if it finds no audience? Does it need one? |
The thing about black metal (and extreme metal in general for that matter) is that it's an extremely esoteric style of music. The vocal style will seem outrageous to those who don't "get it", but for those few who can appreciate the style, we wouldn't want them to sing any other way. Extreme metal vocals are entirely inclined towards the style of music being played, I don't view it necessarily as a childish expression of anger or hatred in any way, and would even go so far as to say that I find them genuinely beautiful on certain occasions (early Ulver and Borknagar probably being the best examples). I had very much the same reaction as you did when I first heard them Peter, but I couldn't possibly see many of the bands I appreciate using any other type of vocals, it simply wouldn't fit them as well. It doesn't surprise me that you react this way to them, you're DEFINITELY not alone, but to those of us who actually do listen to this sort of thing there's FAR more to them than just angry, noisy bellowing.
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:16 |
stonebeard wrote:
Peter Rideout wrote:
micropyhone |
I must have this unheard of technology.
It it Canadian? How exotic.............  |
Just call me Mr Clumsy Sausagefingers.
Mycraphone?
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 05 2006 at 18:16
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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:14 |
Hmmm... What to call my first album? "Greatest Sh*ts?"
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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stonebeard
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:13 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
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I must have this unheard of technology.
It it Canadian? How exotic.............
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:11 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:07 |
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:03 |
sleeper wrote:
Me thinks someone took the bait
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Hook, line and stinker....
But you didn't use this little guy:
Wah!
Anyway, I still say that stuff is FUNNY, in a painful kind of way. Assuming someone much younger than me, still -- how can anyone take vocals like that seriously? Does it just relect and reinforce a very bleak, angry state of mind (is it cathartic, perhaps), or do kids only get into that stuff to shock and piss off their parents? Is it a case of "it feels good when I stop"?
Also seriously, if each generation comes up with art to rebel against and shock the previous one, then what, in gawd's name, will the kids of peole who like that stuff come up with? Is my "vomiting into a mic" concept really that far fetched? How about singing out one's arse?
Wtih art, can we never fairly say 'No, sorry, that's total CRAP"? (We say such things about lots of pop here all the time.)
Debate, folks: can art objectively be "bad?" What if it finds no audience? Does it need one?
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 05 2006 at 18:07
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:00 |
 If you can, do. If you can't, don't even try
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tardis
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 17:53 |
Jim Garten wrote:
I thought the funniest thing was between bouts of ...eeer ... vocalising, he had such an innocent, nay sweet smile...
I bet he loves his mummy...
Aaaah - bless. |
LOL...omg...tears... 
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sleeper
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 17:48 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
darksinger wrote:
at least that "singing" is preferable to jon anderson's sissy vocals |
Do you really think so? (Ah, when the prog and metal worlds collide.... )
And does the fact that Anderson has a higher-pitched singing voice than most really make him a sissy? (To be completely honest, I found his voice hard to get into at first, as a young teen, too. But that's his real voice -- he's not distorting it to sound like an orc on helium, at least!)
If Anderson is a sissy, then Geddy Lee must be an absolute flamer, and many "screaming" metal-type singers must be complete panty-waisted girly men!
All a matter of taste, I guess -- some folks actually enjoy pain, and perhaps that's just how 'he-men" sing, and perhaps I lack the requisite massive levels of testosterone to "get it."
Or perhaps that type of "singing" is just painful (and not just for the singer), and not worthy of being called singing....
Can we compromise, and just call that a type of very specialized "vocalizing?" (I can fake a demon or monster voice too, but I'll bet that 99% of the people on planet earth wouldn't normally call that stuff "singing." I think most would find it totally laughable (that's why that clip is on the web, after all), and extremely irritating.
Just for fun, imagine singing like that in church!
Still, no offense -- it's just art, and I was only kidding with the "dragged out and shot" remark.
(Listening to that stuff is punishment enough for you!) |
Me thinks someone took the bait
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 17:14 |
darksinger wrote:
at least that "singing" is preferable to jon anderson's sissy vocals |
Do you really think so? (Ah, when the prog and metal worlds collide.... )
And does the fact that Anderson has a higher-pitched singing voice than most really make him a sissy? (To be completely honest, I found his voice hard to get into at first, as a young teen, too. But that's his real voice -- he's not distorting it to sound like an orc on helium, at least!)
If Anderson is a sissy, then Geddy Lee must be an absolute flamer, and many "screaming" metal-type singers must be complete panty-waisted girly men!
All a matter of taste, I guess -- some folks actually enjoy pain, and perhaps that's just how 'he-men" sing, and perhaps I lack the requisite massive levels of testosterone to "get it."
Or perhaps that type of "singing" is just painful (and not just for the singer), and not worthy of being called singing....
Can we compromise, and just call that a type of very specialized "vocalizing?" (I can fake a demon or monster voice too, but I'll bet that 99% of the people on planet earth wouldn't normally call that stuff "singing." I think most would find it totally laughable (that's why that clip is on the web, after all), and extremely irritating.
Just for fun, imagine singing like that in church!
Still, no offense -- it's just art, and I was only kidding with the "dragged out and shot" remark.
(Listening to that stuff is punishment enough for you!)
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 05 2006 at 17:19
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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darksinger
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 11:41 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
That's got to be really hard on the throat -- just walk ten miles into the woods and try it!
Anyone who finds "singing" like that to be pleasurable, or puts "prog" in front of it, should be dragged out and SHOT. 
I really thought he was going to throw up! Just wait -- that will be the next generation's thing (they'll have to do something truly disgusting to offend that guy and his peers, should he ever manage to reproduce!) 
All that moronic anger makes for good cannon fodder -- next stop, the recruiting office.... |
at least that "singing" is preferable to jon anderson's sissy vocals
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 10:37 |
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Seen this before, good for a laugh, love their faces. Wonder who were the singers they put above his level though? I bet he's as interesting as that awful show gets.
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 10:29 |
That's not singing
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darksinger
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 07:19 |
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on second thought, he blows...
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darksinger
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 07:06 |
keep in mind that quite a few prog metal bands started off as the "screaming scandinavians" (ulver, amorphis, opeth, ihsahn (with emperor)-just for starters)
he'd probably sound much better if he had a band behind him...although most black metal bands have since abandoned corpse paint...
Edited by darksinger - September 05 2006 at 07:08
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 03:19 |
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I thought the funniest thing was between bouts of ...eeer ... vocalising, he had such an innocent, nay sweet smile...
I bet he loves his mummy...
Aaaah - bless.
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