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maani
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 19:15 |
Jester:
You, a sheep? I think not. More like a wolf in sheep's clothing... And that's okay - as long as you "keep the sheep suit on" (as Sam the Sham says in "Little Red Riding Hood"). Still, I wouldn't want your creativity to "suffocate." Feel free to let it out once in a while: "thinking twice" does not have to mean "playing possum"...(as Dylan says, "Don't think twice, it's alright...)
Having said that, I must say that I'm mightily impressed with the "new" Jester; not that you need to impress me (or anyone else). Just that you seem so much more...approachable. (Ooooooh...how you must hate that! )
Ah...XTC. If Styx and Supertramp belong here, so do they. It's all so unfair. I'm gonna have to talk to someone about it...
Peace.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 18:49 |
danbo wrote:
tuxon wrote:
The disclaimer written by Danbo was just fun. a good joke (though I initialy thought he was refering to the pic and tried to set us straigth in a witty manner). It's a shame he deleted it.
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I didn't really look at the picture. I read through the posts because I had an idea to make a play on the threads title, a bit of satire on the white/colored equality theme but with lights instead of people. Coupled with the photo it WAS in bad taste. I think it would not have been offensive on it's own, however, when I told my wife about it, she got her panties all bunched up and said it was, without a doubt, racist. I'm sorry!
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It was only problematic when coupled with the picture. I wasnt offended,I dont offend easily (ie at all) I just thought it was unfortunate.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 17:38 |
tuxon wrote:
The disclaimer written by Danbo was just fun. a good joke (though I initialy thought he was refering to the pic and tried to set us straigth in a witty manner). It's a shame he deleted it.
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I didn't really look at the picture. I read through the posts because I had an idea to make a play on the threads title, a bit of satire on the white/colored equality theme but with lights instead of people. Coupled with the photo it WAS in bad taste. I think it would not have been offensive on it's own, however, when I told my wife about it, she got her panties all bunched up and said it was, without a doubt, racist. I'm sorry!
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tuxon
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 15:31 |
Didn't find it to be really offencive.
I understand that people might seek more behind the pic than intended.
The disclaimer written by Danbo was just fun. a good joke (though I initialy thought he was refering to the pic and tried to set us straigth in a witty manner). It's a shame he deleted it.
I think the removal of the picture wasn't really necesary, but in the light of the following discussion it was appropriate to remove it, for it could provoke more hardship than the picture was worth. and it is supposed to be a happy occasion, a friendly gathering of kindred spirits talking about lights and Christmastrees.
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James Lee
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 15:17 |
Is anyone actually offended by the picture?
Don't think I'm downplaying the apology and explanation, Reed. I understand we want to steer away from controversy on the forum whenever possible...but did anyone raise an objection based on personal offense rather than a general understanding of what might be construed as offensive to others (you know, personal feelings rather than abstract 'stance')?
It's not a rhetorical question...I just wanted to get an idea of the feelings of fellow members.
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gdub411
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 14:23 |
sigod wrote:
Re: 'That' Picture.
Sorry about that everybody. I should have engaged brain first. I was merely trying to be silly in a Monty Python vein but I should have realised that my choice was not appropriate. I apologise unreservedly and I promise I'll wear the stupid idiot hat for the whole of the Xmas period.
I obviously offended people but that was never my intention. Sorry, sorry sorry...
Please forgive as it was never posted with malicious intent.
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Sigod...I think you're perhaps the nicest guyz on this forum. I know you meant no ill when you placed that picture. I just thought it was a tad tasteless.
Not to say I haven't placed tasteless posts before...I was just a little shocked that you did. You're still tops to me though.
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sigod
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 09:29 |
Dead Jester wrote:
Honeybunch!! ?? Sounds sticky |
I hope so...
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Dead Jester
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 08:21 |
Honeybunch!! ?? Sounds sticky
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threefates
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 08:17 |
sigod wrote:
Re: 'That' Picture.
Sorry about that everybody. I should have engaged brain first. I was merely trying to be silly in a Monty Python vein but I should have realised that my choice was not appropriate. I apologise unreservedly and I promise I'll wear the stupid idiot hat for the whole of the Xmas period.
I obviously offended people but that was never my intention. Sorry, sorry sorry...
Please forgive as it was never posted with malicious intent.
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I forgive you, Honeybunch!!
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THIS IS ELP
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Dead Jester
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 06:12 |
Very wise words there Dracula
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Alucard
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 05:04 |
This thread has come a long way from Christmas Lights to Racism. Anyway I don't think this is the right place for a "serious" discussion about Racism! Let's have the fun out here... and yes IMHO you can make fun of anything and anyone in a given context.Remember all those jerks yelling on Zappa when he released Sheik yerbouti with Bobby Brown and the jewish princess in it.So as the good old man would have said. just put some Eyebrows on it.
Master inner voices, making choices
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sigod
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 04:54 |
Re: 'That' Picture.
Sorry about that everybody. I should have engaged brain first. I was merely trying to be silly in a Monty Python vein but I should have realised that my choice was not appropriate. I apologise unreservedly and I promise I'll wear the stupid idiot hat for the whole of the Xmas period.
I obviously offended people but that was never my intention. Sorry, sorry sorry...
Please forgive as it was never posted with malicious intent.
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Dead Jester
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 04:28 |
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Dead Jester
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 00:50 |
Perhaps this one will stay here
Rudolph The Rednosed Wino
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Dead Jester
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Posted: December 22 2004 at 00:34 |
Maani: we both like XTC, thatīs as close as weīll ever get and I try to behave like a good sheep. I just find these restrictions suffocating for my creativity Itīs no fun when you have to think twice, everytime you want to post something.
Me & Maani
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Peter
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 23:44 |
None of the above.
Ice candles.
The sheer fragile, transient, doomed beauty. Sob.
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Arioch
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 20:26 |
Helter Skelter is another term for playground slides. I don't think it was meant to be a deep, thought-provoking tune. Just a hard rocking, raucaus good time!
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Knight of the Swords
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James Lee
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 20:17 |
"When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride Till I get to the bottom and I see you again.
Do you, don't you want me to love you I'm coming down fast but I'm miles above you Tell me tell me tell me come on tell me the answer You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer.
Helter skelter helter skelter Helter skelter.
Will you, won't you want me to make you I'm coming down fast but don't let me break you Tell me tell me tell me the answer You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer.
Look out helter skelter helter skelter Helter skelter
Look out, cause here she comes.
When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide And I stop and I turn and I go for a ride And I get to the bottom and I see you again
Well do you, don't you want me to make you I'm coming down fast but don't let me break you Tell me tell me tell me the answer You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer.
Look out helter skelter helter skelter Helter skelter Look out helter skelter She's coming down fast Yes she is Yes she is."
Is this song about Christmas lights? Impending race wars? Forum decorum?
Charlie has had his say. Now it's your turn.
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maani
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 19:03 |
All:
Well...where to begin?
Interesting thread; even more interesting tangent. Two comments.
First, "racism" is, of course, wrong (and would not be tolerated here). And had the post-er posted the photo with a personal statement that "This is how I feel about black people," that would have been racist. However, the posting of a photograph depicting a racist action is not, in and of itself, "racist," and is thus not "actionable." This is the difference between "protected free speech" and "hate speech," which is illegal and actionable. (Don't get any ideas: the same does not hold true for pornography...)
Second, and as a corollary (no, not a coronary, despite Reed Lover's graphic...) to that, there will be no editing of this thread (any photo editing that has occurred was not done by me, anyway) - nor even any warnings - because, despite what some people may think, we really do value and cherish "free speech."
Keep up the good work...especially you, DJ; you're practically on my good side now (oops, shouldn't have said anything...).
Peace.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 16:35 |
Thanks to everyone. Sometimes we can raise the standards as well as lower them !
We should always be able to laugh at each other and never be frightened of making fools of ourselves.I know I do constantly.
You can go back to hating me now! Lets leave the civilians alone.
Merry Xmas and a progtastic New Year.
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