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siLLy puPPy 
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Pretty much anything considered progressive pop. Asia, 80s Genesis, 80s Yes, Kate Bush, Sparks etc
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I wouldn't apply the term "bubblegum" to prog although if I did I would say ELO or maybe 10CC (if they both can be considered prog). Not sure who else. Maybe 80's Genesis.
Edit: Actually I don't really think any of those are bubblegum. In fact I can't really think of any because(to me at least)the term bubblegum prog is a bit of an oxymoron.
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siLLy puPPy
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That was fascinating. I never heard of some of those acts. Damn catchy stuff for sure
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The Sweet had an interesting history. Started out bubblegum ("Little Willy" is actually a favorite of mine) and then went to hard rock ("Ballroom Blitz", "Action"), then went to a mixture of both in the end, but some people consider some of their later music prog-lite ("Love is Like Oxygen"). If someone says bubblegum prog, then this is the band I would think of in their later years.
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Pretty much everything by the Fab Four......wait they are not prog...but still bubblegum pop/rock.
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Psychedelic Paul
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I just HAD to check this thread out to find out what on earth Bubblegum Prog is all about. Maybe Glencoe are Bubblegum Prog. I've just suggested them for inclusion in the Crossover Prog section.
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Well, this is proof that some are more prog than others.
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Never did, actually. Even in Brazil, I already had been into Maria Betania (Brazilian Joan Baez before her, but much harder hitting!) and into Beatles and Rolling Stones and Ray Charles. The "softest" I ever got was "I Can't Stop Loving You" by Ray, an album I loved dearly. When we came to the States, it was Bob Dylan on the 3rd day here (Blonde on Blonde) and the bloomfield/Kooper albums, which I do not know which ... around October 1965. After that it was all about the station in Madison, including things like Doors, and other bands once an hour, until a couple of years later, when FM hit it big, and Madison was at its forefront. History seems to suggest that Madison's university (of Wisconsin) was at the forefront of it. And they were playing full sides of Moody Blues, Procol Harum, Bob Dylan, and the hipper stuff. It was during that time that I knew that the bubblegum stuff was not for me, and neither was the hit factory thing, making it look like a fake song was number one, when it wasn't ... it really was propaganda, same as today. There is no "#1" because these do not measure the sales from the many websites at all, to have any good idea of what is really selling or not. When we went to California (1971) it was all FM radio in Santa Barbara, mostly the one station that started from nothing and went to number 1 in 3 months, because of its incredible freedom and variety of music, which also helped Space Pirate Radio get its start.
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Thanks, you beat me to it! Listen closely to even the most cloying of popular music...there is nearly always something musically redeeming to it, or else it wouldn't have made it past the many professional musicians, engineers and producers who have a say in what gets released. Rick Wakeman played keys on this song, which I enjoy a great deal....also, the young lady dancing is wearing perhaps the shortest skirt I've seen in years!  |
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What? No flowers in your hair? The shame! The total shame! I thought that most of America, at least in a college town and big city (we were in Madison, WI), were less into these things, than some more serious music. Many bands got the attention in Chicago, that Madison did not get, but I only remember Madison as having Herman and the Hermits ... not many others. Madison was too hip (huge university town!) for these bubblegum things, and the girls at West High (smelly witches in hair coloring!) did not like Chicago, or Jimi, or Janis, because they were anti-establishment. Those same girls also went around saying they were wirgeens, and were not as clean cut as they made out to be. At least, in our case, us rebels and liberals and against the war, we stood up and were not as hippocritical about many of those personal things. The only thing I thought was bad about many of those songs and bands you mention, is that they were quite obviously ignoring what was happening, not only around the country, but also around the world. 20 some years later, one of those folks had the gall to say that they had the more important thing going by trying to center people, than all that political divisiveness that took place. It was, undoubtedly a great example of the very rich in America not giving a damn ... and all I can think is ... CCR singing and screaming that song! Mind you, at Madison West High, there were a lot less "lassies" into that kind of bubble gum, than getting laid and having fun at a party on campus! I can't imagine Chicago being so cardboard'ish!
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LOL! I enjoy all sorts of music, and much popular music was cleverly composed and performed, despite insipid lyrics. When I was growing up, I practically lived at a friend's house, and he had a bunch of younger sisters who were into their brand of pop music and bubblegum. Back in those years (early 1970s in USA), popular bands included the Partridge Family, Bay City Rollers and others. (my friend and I would hunker down and listen to Led Zeppelin, Humble Pie and eventually Yes and ELP). Here, have some! The clothes, haircuts and stage vibe were all aimed directly at the little lassies!! |
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Nice to see the disdain for 90125. I actually shagged a girl who had shagged Trevor Rabin. Six levels of separation and all that!
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^You could probably add all hair metal to that list as well although I doubt many people would refer to it as bubblegum despite the fact it appealed to mostly teenage girls. Heck, I know one woman who is actually a friend(ok more like an email buddy/facebook friend since I rarely see her)who is about 50 and was into that stuff at the time being that she's about the right age. Actually, she still likes a lot of that music! I tease her about it. She probably could easily make fun of my prog music too though.
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Thank you! I only know what I've witnessed, having spent time in the recording industry and as a practicing musician. Music producers always aim for the dispensable income stream, and the young are a prime target. This was parodied in the movie "This Is Spinal Tap," when the band was humbled for their draw to young, teen-age boys! That demographic built and sustained many bands including Kiss, and made them rich. I don't think serious audiophiles were collecting their LPs . When I think of "bubblegum," I think of music that might be played at a teenage girl sleepover party. OAALH was one of those songs, as were some songs by Frampton, Asia, Genesis/Phil Collins etc. Maybe I'm stretching the definition of "bubblegum" a bit, but that is how I witnessed it at the time. I doubt if they were playing much King Crimson at those parties. |
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By definition ,as was posted by me and funny enough by Cstack also (from Wiki)....(contradicting his own position...), 'Bubblegum' was a specific type of pop genre for the late 60's/early 70's and only technically lasted for that time frame (the various bands are listed on that Wiki page)....there were of course a few bands that emulated that style like Sweet into the early 80's .
It was not a term referenced for any other types of pop rock, rock, or prog rock....so Bubblegum prog is a misnomer . What is being talked about here is more commercial prog rock.....and by that definition any band who had a radio friendly song/hit would be doing bubblegum prog rock....which imho is not Bubblegum music . I do not believe that Yes or Asia or ELO were writing these songs for teenyboppers and young girls but they were writing them to be more commercial to perhaps sell a record or two. That's not Bubblegum imho and the definitions on various web pages clearly show this . To call it bubblegum prog is playing fast and loose with the original intention of the term. Sigh....where;s Dean when you need him? ;)
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I was thinking of the sound engineering of Bubblegum. It had a kind of bounciness to it that you can hear in Karn Evil #9, 1st and 3rd Impression. Also, there can be a type of cavalier attitude in the singer's delivery at times.
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I think all those bands started to follow a pop formula. Pop is not always bubblegum. I think that's where we are having our disconnect. You seem to want to equate all image crafting as bubblegum. I just don't see it that way. Just because John Wetton was singing Heat Of The Moment and had adopted a more commercial sound and look doesn't automatically make that song, bubblegum. Just because a song is formulaic and derived specifically for radio play doesn't automatically make it bubblegum. |
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Not at all! Such image crafting was a feature of music back in that era (late 1970s through early 1980s). 90125 as a whole was not bubble-gum, but the single OOALH was. It was formulaic and derived specifically for radio play, something Squire had longed to do for many years, returning to the earlier roots of Yes, which had more of a pop sensitivity. Asia similarly had image crafting - I am sure that they were seeking to harvest the AOR audiences for successful bandts like Journey, but John Wetton was transformed from "signing bass player" of King Crimson and UK into "hunk bass player and front man." Pete Cetera, bassist and frontman from Chicago underwent the same transformation, and journeyman rocker Peter Frampton's visage graced the bedroom walls of many young ladies (I saw this at the houses of my friends, whose younger sisters had rooms dedicated to Frampton!). Genesis continued with the bubble gum formula, very successfully. At this point in their careers, I think old-time prog musicians decided that making complex music for fans like us was a losing proposition, financially. So, bubblegum prog did exist and even flourish for a while. |
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