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suitkees 
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Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
 Posted: December 01 2021 at 14:15 |
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^ Thanks. The citation allowed me to find
the
article in question. This is a UK research about the implications
of the Delta variant and the implications of vaccination, based on the
premise that especially the younger generations were not that much
included in the vaccination programs. And I prefer conclusions over
selectively picked citations that arrange the ideology of the quoter...
So, it
is better to get vaccinated, to get your booster injection, to wear
masks, etc. etc. etc. because even the vaccinated can transmit the
virus, even when the risk (of more or less severe consequences) is minor compared to the unvaccinated.
Everything that has been suggested before. Unfortunately, obtuse persons
refuse to take it as a given and refuse to adopt the appropriate
behaviour to diminish the spread of the virus, causing many many
avoidable deaths. |
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omphaloskepsis
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Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6341 |
Posted: December 01 2021 at 13:08 |
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I'll link the article, if a moderator gives me permission. I don't want to be a disruptive force. However; last time I posted the link, the moderator deleted the entire thread. I'm totally for people who want a vaccination...getting a jab. Why should someone be coerced into getting a jab? It's their body, their risk. It's nobody else's business, but theirs. As long as your vaccinated, under 75 years-old, with no comorbidities, the odds of you dying from Covid ( if you get it) are less than 1 in a million. The Lancet Medical Journal article said word for word and I quote, "Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts." If the above is true, then I see no need to coerce people into taking the jab. It you want it, get it. If you do not want the jab, you take the risk...and it's your business. Moderators, Can I post a link to the article? The Lancet is the most respected Medical Journal in the World.
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suitkees
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Posted: December 01 2021 at 12:49 |
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Well, I don't think there's an issue with linking to a Lancet article, so please give it. I'd like to read it.
All those channels you refer to are not my information channels and I know that public channels here in Europe are much less subordinated to the "Grand Capital" than in the USA, and I agree with you that we have to be very circumspect regarding Big Pharma. But, when it comes to solutions, whether we like it or not, they are sometimes part of it. Let's not obnubilate this reality with a blind opposition to what might be - pragmatically - the best solution... |
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omphaloskepsis
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Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6341 |
Posted: December 01 2021 at 12:07 |
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I didn't read the Lancet article, but going from a statement
like "double vaccinated people can give covid to double vaccinated
people" to "That fact suggests, folks should only vaccinate themselves
for themselves... and not other people" shows that you have no sense of
logic: the first statement does not lead logically to your conclusion.
It is just your very awkward translation of it and contributing - once more - to misinformation about vaccination and covid in general. Everybody in the world knows that a covid positive person can give an unvaccinated person Covid. That's not news. What is news? That Double Vaccinated people often carry as high a Covid virus load as unvaccinated people. Read the article. Double vaccinated people give double vaccinated people covid. Perhaps you should look up the Lancet article on Covid, that the moderators do not want you to see. Then, you would know that contamination is NOT diminished anywhere near 10 times compared to non-vaccinated people. The article suggests the opposite. The viral load for both groups is similar. I never said there is no use to vaccinate. I said word for word, "That fact suggests, folks should only vaccinate themselves for themselves... and not other people." Say, you are a 12 year old without any comorbidities. Your risk of dying of covid is so low that they have a better chance of drowning. The risk of dying because of the vaccination is greater than dying of covid for children. So why should a child get a vaccination? According to the CDC, 95% of all covid deaths have comorbidities. People die WITH covid. Not necessarily BECAUSE of covid. The CDC does not count old age as a comorbidity. The average age of all covid deaths in America is over 80 years-old. I submit that it makes more sense to offer vaccinations to anyone who wants one. I submit that old people and people with comorbidities should have easy access to vaccines. Why should there be a vaccine mandate? President Biden said the odds of a vaccinated person being admitted to the hospital because of covid is 1 in 160,000. The odds of dying are significantly less. I submit that if someone does NOT want a vaccination, then they should not be coerced in any way. They should have free access to vaccinations and boosters shots. But there should be no coercion! My Body...my choice. Your body...your choice. I'm shocked that people trust and defend Big Pharma, government, and the media. Pfizer paid the biggest fine ( 2.3 Billion Dollars!) in World history. Pfizer has been caught in criminal acts many times. Pfizer gave Joe Biden over $380,000 dollars last year. CNN, NBC, CBS, and many other Media companies take hundreds of millions of dollars from Pfizer. CNN news is brought to you by Pfizer. Attack the media-not me- they're lying to you. Or haven't you noticed? Please don't put words that I never said into my mouth. I wrote what I mean. Nothing more.
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suitkees
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Posted: December 01 2021 at 10:47 |
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^ That so-called doctor you refer to - and it is not the first time that you quote very dubious sources - is very much known for his disinformation practices: The New York Times even dared the headline "The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online" to continue to state that "Researchers and regulators say Joseph Mercola, an osteopathic physician, creates and profits from misleading claims about Covid-19 vaccines."
I didn't read the Lancet article, but going from a statement
like "double vaccinated people can give covid to double vaccinated
people" to "That fact suggests, folks should only vaccinate themselves
for themselves... and not other people" shows that you have no sense of
logic: the first statement does not lead logically to your conclusion.
It is just your very awkward translation of it and contributing - once more - to misinformation about vaccination and covid in general. |
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CosmicVibration
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Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: December 01 2021 at 10:13 |
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Federal Judge Blocks Biden’s Vaccine MandatePresident Biden’s edict that all health care workers in the U.S. must be vaccinated with at least one COVID-19 shot by December 4, 2021, has been stopped by a U.S. federal judge in Louisiana. In handing down his stop-order, Judge Terry A. Doughty said, “There is no question that mandating a vaccine to 10.3 million health care workers is something that should be done by Congress, not a government agency” … “It is not clear that even an act of Congress mandating a vaccine would be constitutional.” In other news, an appeals court has also blocked Biden’s mandate to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to impose vaccines on businesses with 100 employees or more, after a dozen states sued to stop it. https://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/archive/2021/12/01/federal-judge-blocks-biden_1920_s-vaccine-mandate.aspx Edited by CosmicVibration - December 01 2021 at 10:14 |
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: December 01 2021 at 05:30 |
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Far be it from me to mislead people. Let the people interpret the Lancet Medical Journal article for themselves. My interpretation and big takeaway? Double Vaccinated people can give covid to double vaccinated people. That fact suggests, folks should only vaccinate themselves for themselves... and not other people. Update on Progarchives Censorship- Without being given a reason, another Thread of mine was deleted. I published an article and an Australian TV news report about three Australian teenagers escaping an Australian quarantine camp. It's public news. Why was it deleted?
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Lewian
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Posted: December 01 2021 at 05:15 |
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That's not for me to decide. For sure in my view it's better to post a link than to misrepresent what's in it (as you already had done in the other thread).
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: December 01 2021 at 05:05 |
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Then it will OK if I post the link?
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Lewian
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Posted: December 01 2021 at 05:03 |
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No it didn't, and you know it.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: December 01 2021 at 04:21 |
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I consider my political views passionately progressive, for
the betterment off all. As far as I can
tell my stance on most issues lean far left as well. I could be wrong about certain things and am
open minded to listen to any line of reasoning otherwise. I like a healthy debate that focuses on the subject. Even if it gets a little heated it’s ok if
there is no personal character assassination. Some for whatever reason engage in such
attacks. This not only derails the issue,
but many choose not to engage. Maybe
that’s their tactic, if you’re on shaky ground, make the opposition leave or
have the thread closed. There are a few that no longer post, probably due to verbal abuse.
I pointed this out and started firing
back mainly because of it. First few
times I got attacked I let it go and tried to redirect the conversation back on
track. This proofed futile… Personally, I don’t mind the banter… I may even be a little sadistic because I think
it’s fun. Even though I have very thick
skin and think it’s fun, I would never initiate it. It’s a shame some will not post, and threads got closed because
of the BS. So true. The moderators recently erased a thread I started. I quoted a new article by the most respected Medical Journal in the World- "The Lancet". I posted a link to the article, so folks could read the Medical study. The article pointed out fully vaccinated people catch covid as often as non-vaccinated people.
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CosmicVibration
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Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: November 29 2021 at 13:14 |
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I consider my political views passionately progressive, for
the betterment off all. As far as I can
tell my stance on most issues lean far left as well. I could be wrong about certain things and am
open minded to listen to any line of reasoning otherwise. I like a healthy debate that focuses on the subject. Even if it gets a little heated it’s ok if
there is no personal character assassination. Some for whatever reason engage in such
attacks. This not only derails the issue,
but many choose not to engage. Maybe
that’s their tactic, if you’re on shaky ground, make the opposition leave or
have the thread closed. There are a few that no longer post, probably due to verbal abuse.
I pointed this out and started firing
back mainly because of it. First few
times I got attacked I let it go and tried to redirect the conversation back on
track. This proofed futile… Personally, I don’t mind the banter… I may even be a little sadistic because I think
it’s fun. Even though I have very thick
skin and think it’s fun, I would never initiate it. It’s a shame some will not post, and threads got closed because
of the BS. |
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Easy Money
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10617 |
Posted: November 25 2021 at 21:51 |
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progaardvark
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Posted: November 25 2021 at 19:37 |
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Indeed, very well said. It isn't worth the stress to engage with trolls.
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
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JD
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Posted: November 25 2021 at 08:29 |
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And I quote... 2010 Georgia Code Title 17 Criminal Procedure Chapter 4 - Arrest of Persons Article 4 - Arrest By Private Persons §17-4-60 - Grounds for Arrest A private person may arrest on offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. Not within an hour. I call bull5hit on you. Edited by JD - November 26 2021 at 10:06 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 24 2021 at 19:23 |
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Luckily juries decided these cases, not courts, and even the SYG law might not have saved these Redneck vigilantes from hunting down some guy for trespassing on a construction site. Southern man, better keep your head Don't forget what your good book said Southern change gonna come at last Now your crosses are burning fast Southern man |
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 24 2021 at 19:13 |
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^ Welcome and feel free to add whatever you want. My politics are fairly open minded, I like to hear and consider different viewpoints. There is one thing I'm pretty consistent on though, I think donald trump is toxic and disgusting.
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Rottenprogger
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Posted: November 24 2021 at 17:48 |
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I've stayed out of this thread (only lurked) for awhile because my politics are very progressive and left leaning that trying to engage with certain people here would be a fool's errand.
That being said it astounds me that on a site that promotes musical (and in turn intellectual) diversity that some choose to harbour such regressive and toxic attitudes.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: November 24 2021 at 17:07 |
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I agree. Tis true. Just because I agree with both verdicts does not mean I think Rittenhouse is a hero. On the other hand, I do not believe that America is flooded with white supremists itching to murder minorities.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: November 24 2021 at 17:04 |
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No, your wrong about me making an error. Of course you have to be present...that's how you know the person committed a crime. However, if you were in the presence of an offense/crime a week ago...you could not perform a citizen's arrest today. However; if you were in the presence of the offense/crime an hour ago, then you can perform a citizen's arrest today. Why don't you make an original argument or point? Instead, you hide in the reeds sniping, misinterpreting other's arguments. You can do it JD. Write something original. Edited by omphaloskepsis - November 24 2021 at 17:54 |
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