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Poll Question: how do you fel about Metallica being added ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 16:56
I'm sorry, have the completing of prog rock ended and we have to complete now Prog-Related? Geek
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 16:54
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

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And there, my people, you have an example of the kind of "arguments" that some people use to reply points made by other people. No wonder some bands are added here, don't you think?
 
The prog-related sub-genre (or side-genre) EXISTS. IT WILL NOT BE DELETED BECAUSE A FEW MEMBERS THINK SO. It has been here long before you were a member or I was a member. And if we happen to have this "prog-related" genre, we might as well do a GOOD JOB of keeping it as complete as we can, instead of repeatedly saying that it shouldn't be here, as that take us nowhere.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 16:50
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 16:46
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 16:38
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Bah, prog-related can be anything and that's been proven many times.

I have no idea what that means


And that discussion was hilarious. Three collaborators chortling about Metallica and ignoring everyone else's views. LOL

actually it was three collaborators chortling about Metallica and addressing everyone's views..  you don't get a 30+ page debate by "ignoring everyone's views"


But all facetiousness aside, let me explain myself. If I were running a site about a specific sub-genre of music, I'd stay far away from influences because that, to me, just lets the floor fall out. For example, if I started a site about birds, should I list dinosaurs as "bird-related" or "proto-bird"? Yes, they became birds (allegedly), but I doubt someone looking up a starling or a meadowlark is going to want to read about an tyrannosaurus. I don't think actually adding entries for all the little dinosaurs will do my site any good other than confusing and outraging the populous.

well a historically-minded archive with a desire to give a comprehensive overview of how, when and why dinosaurs developed would be the one I would turn to most often




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 16:30
Teo: I think your bio is terrific. Clap I would think that it would go a long way towards people's understanding of the reasoning behind its inclusion, and/or convince quite a few of its worthiness.  Had that bio been prepared early on, and used for the suggestion process, I think it would have swayed quite a few naysayers (especially those who voted against it, or voiced opinions against the addition, while hardly knowing the material or having minimal metal knowledge).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 16:20
The only thing that has confused me about the addition is the fact that Ride The Lightning is rated higher than MOP, which is rated higher than AJFA. I thought that people here generally enjoyed the albums in the opposite order, and that their progressiveness increased in the opposite order than that too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 16:16
Bah, prog-related can be anything and that's been proven many times.

And that discussion was hilarious. Three collaborators chortling about Metallica and ignoring everyone else's views. LOL

But all facetiousness aside, let me explain myself. If I were running a site about a specific sub-genre of music, I'd stay far away from influences because that, to me, just lets the floor fall out. For example, if I started a site about birds, should I list dinosaurs as "bird-related" or "proto-bird"? Yes, they became birds (allegedly), but I doubt someone looking up a starling or a meadowlark is going to want to read about an tyrannosaurus. I don't think actually adding entries for all the little dinosaurs will do my site any good other than confusing and outraging the populous.

So in short, I'd keep influences as just mentions in a bio as I think that does way more good in the long run.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 16:10
I can't believe how un-chaotic this discussion has been.... It seems that we've all grown up after all... Tongue
 
As many people here now, there was a 36 PAGE thread about the subject, and not with just 3 members discussing the matter but a LOT of members giving their opinions. In the end, arguments shown that the band could fit in prog-related (even if, as I believe, they could've fit in prog-metal). M@x changed his opinion because he listened and read the discussions. Which it seems goes far beyond of what many people are able to do... Not that everybody has to agree, but it helps when, before giving an opinion, THE ARGUMENTS FROM BOTH SIDES ARE GIVEN A CHANCE.
 
Anyway, they're here. I thought my long bio would help give a light about why they are here. I hope it works at least once.
 
And by the way, Metallica are not in any prog-genre. They've been added to prog-RELATED.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 15:42
Me? I'm glad Metallica's here. They definetely pushed the boundaries. The only reason anybody should be unhappy about them being here is their boring material, when Bob Rock dumbed them down.
 
Does anybody remember some Bob Rock quote where he said something along the lines of "I liked Metallica's riffs and stuff, but I think it would be better for them to focus on one riff for an entire song than go off in different directions". They were being very progressive and developing their sound, but then they got kind of boring. I think they were pretty darn progressive (in the progressive sense, not the prog sense).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 13:55
I actually have nothing against their music, really like them between 1984-88, but I feel that they are too famous, trendy and "cool" for a Progressive Rock site.
Death Magnetic has already 7 reviews, ratings,  and the really painful St Anger has already 5.
People bother with them more, than  some "real" prog bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 13:33
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

LOL  yeah... there is something to be said for keeping the site on it's toes and not having a boring stagnant site  


Don't give away our intentions, Micky - how would you feel if we spoiled your wedding surprise in that manner/? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 13:31
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

or here's a new concept... since we are prog fans like to pat ourselves on the back for how intelligent and refined our tastes in music are.

or you could actually read the reviews of those who supported the addition... and learn something. thus maybe see why they were added here.LOL


Booooooooooooring!!

I'd rather make jokes like "Music Archives" or my favorite "My Favorite Bands Archive" or something to that extent. Since the majority was ignored and the band was added anyway, the only thing I can do is find ways to entertain myself be it writing reviews for all 450 of their horrible albums or drawing very hateful and dadaist pictures of what I perceive Metallica fans to look like. It's just the way I work! Cool


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 13:04
Whether a band is or is not here has precisely zero effect on my enjoyment of this site.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 13:02
LOL  yeah... there is something to be said for keeping the site on it's toes and not having a boring stagnant site  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 12:54
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

or here's a new concept... since we are prog fans like to pat ourselves on the back for how intelligent and refined our tastes in music are.

or you could actually read the reviews of those who supported the addition... and learn something. thus maybe see why they were added here.LOL


Booooooooooooring!!

I'd rather make jokes like "Music Archives" or my favorite "My Favorite Bands Archive" or something to that extent. Since the majority was ignored and the band was added anyway, the only thing I can do is find ways to entertain myself be it writing reviews for all 450 of their horrible albums or drawing very hateful and dadaist pictures of what I perceive Metallica fans to look like. It's just the way I work! Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 12:08
Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

I voted the middle option. On one hand I don't understand it on the other .... It will finally stop the pleading by the many fans that obviously visit PA ! And I'm a bit of a fan myself but not unconditionally. I just love their best albums and songs (late eighties, early nineties).
 
What surprises me is that a year or so ago their inclusion was unthinkable and now they're here anyway.
Does this prove the flexibility of our collaborators (or the owner) ? Or is this simply fluctuating opinion ?
This is not a heavy complaint by me I'm just flabbergasted. 


Maybe, just maybe, it would help to read before you write. The answer to your question is a few posts above it.... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 11:25
Originally posted by Yorkie X Yorkie X wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Yorkie X Yorkie X wrote:

do you honestly believe at age 41 mike portnoy with all his skills and superior abilities in every way to the Metallica really gets off listening to Metallica?


Do you really think that liking Thrash metal is an age thing, like only adolescents listen to it? I've been listening to Metallica since I was about 14 years old ... I'm 33 now and I don't plan to stop listening to Thrash any time soon.Big%20smile
Yes ..   sadly I do believe there is something a miss when I person continues to listen to thrash past 40  Wink      heard Pathosray yet ?  great band enormous talent


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 11:18
^^^ why is it not accurate - "one of the greatest" could also mean "one of the greatest 10000".Wink

In order to stay on topic: I think that in any case he's a better singer than Hetfield Tongue, and has a better voice.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 11:14
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Yorkie X Yorkie X wrote:

do you honestly believe at age 41 mike portnoy with all his skills and superior abilities in every way to the Metallica really gets off listening to Metallica?


Do you really think that liking Thrash metal is an age thing, like only adolescents listen to it? I've been listening to Metallica since I was about 14 years old ... I'm 33 now and I don't plan to stop listening to Thrash any time soon.Big%20smile
Yes ..   sadly I do believe there is something a miss when I person continues to listen to thrash past 40  Wink      heard Pathosray yet ?  great band enormous talent


Edited by Yorkie X - October 14 2008 at 11:23
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