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Posted: July 31 2012 at 09:47
richardh wrote:
^The Wake live is superb.
The other 3 albums you havn't got are excellent although Dark Matter as I said before is nothing partiucular new. You can have fun though comparing Harvest Of Souls to Suppers Ready
There are two other official studio releases.
Seven Stories Into Ninety Eight was a rerecording of their original debut album that only previously available on cassette. Good luck on tracking that down as its very hard to find now
The Lost Attic has several previously unreleased tracks including the BBC session version of Widows Peak.
Both albums are well worth having
No, the three albums I listed (Dark Matter, Frequency, Tales From The Lush Attic) are the ones I own but I haven't heard yet, however, I listened to Dark Matter last night and enjoyed it. Now, I have Tales From The Lost Attic and Frequency to listen to. I'm still most impressed with Subterranea and The Wake right now.
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 01:14
^The Wake live is superb.
The other 3 albums you havn't got are excellent although Dark Matter as I said before is nothing partiucular new. You can have fun though comparing Harvest Of Souls to Suppers Ready
There are two other official studio releases.
Seven Stories Into Ninety Eight was a rerecording of their original debut album that only previously available on cassette. Good luck on tracking that down as its very hard to find now
The Lost Attic has several previously unreleased tracks including the BBC session version of Widows Peak.
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 20:16
I'm really enjoying Subterranea right now. Next to The Wake, it's probably my favorite IQ recording so far.
IQ albums I own:
Tales From The Lush Attic
The Wake (25th Anniversary edition -- I'm trying to hunt down an original as I want one these too )
Are You Sitting Comfortably? (I hate this album though Falling Apart At The Seams is good)
Ever
Subterranea
The Seventh House
Dark Matter
Frequency
IQ albums I haven't heard yet:
Tales From The Lush Attic
Dark Matter
Frequency
I bought The Wake In Concert as well, but haven't received it yet. I'm looking forward to hearing The Wake in its entirety all of these years later. This is a CD/DVD set, so it'll great to see IQ live.
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 14:41
Frequency is a very powerfull album due in part to Andy Edwards on the drums. Dark Matter for me showed IQ had stalled and were in need of some change and the two new members made a big difference. It also allowed Orford to concentrate on his solo music which resulted in the equally as good The Old Road. I would be hard pressed to say which is the best although if you wrestled me to the ground and put me in an arm lock and demanded an answer then it would be ...a broken arm
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 10:34
I can't really put my finger on why, but Frequency is my favorite IQ album since Ever. Not that the others are not great as well, but Frequency just seems to have a bit more energy or something.
I'm sad to say Frequency passed me by without making much impact. My hope is that Westworth's replacement Neil Durant will inject some fresh ideas into the band for the next album.
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 10:30
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I think Paul did a fair job and it wasn't his fault the band slightly changed musical direction and production sound. Some of the stuff from that era still holds it's ground (Falling apart comes to mind) and some of Paul's lyrics are really really great. Paul was more direct and delt a lot with social and political stuff (Nomzamo, Common ground for example) while Pete is more poetic and sometimes make no sense at all LOL.
I will not even get into the Marillion debate beside air my utter disgust for Misplaced childhood
Back to topic: Infocat. I'm happy for you. You discovered a pretty good band that only got better if you went backwards or forwards .
Heh, that's a good (very optimistic!) way of looking at it! And I did just that. I think I didn't get any more until Subterranea (though not for lack of trying!), and then finally got the first two. Can't recall for sure, though. I may have managed to get those two before that. Memory fuzzy...
While the Menel albums are still by least favorite by the band, I still have quite a few songs from them that I like.
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 09:35
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Mirror Image wrote:
Getting back to IQ, what does everybody think about Frequency?
Very good but nothing new under the sun, on par with previous albums, Westworth does a good job at replacing Martin Orford (although in the live DVD (which is included in the special edition) it becomes more noticeable than in studio that Orford was better).
Martin Orford is a great keyboardist. It is good to hear that Westworth's transition into the band was a smooth one.
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 09:29
Mirror Image wrote:
Getting back to IQ, what does everybody think about Frequency?
Very good but nothing new under the sun, on par with previous albums, Westworth does a good job at replacing Martin Orford (although in the live DVD (which is included in the special edition) it becomes more noticeable than in studio that Orford was better).
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 08:47
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^Paul Menel did a good job in Peter's absence writing some great lyrics/songs for IQ even if his voice was not quite right as you say and left IQ stuck with an eighties pop sound during his duration. (btw its rumoured that Paul was the only one that attended the audition to replace Peter so if thats true IQ could have folded altogether without his involvement)
Totally disagree about Hogarth who is one of my favourite vocalists. Seasons End is my favourite Marillion album and the only one I believe to be a masterpeice in their catalogue. Fish was a great showman and magnificient live for sure but he never had the sort of career that say Gabriel had after Genesis so I am very sceptical about his supposed great talent. Fugazi was the peak of his era (imo) but even that is not as good as Seasons End in my book.
As I said, I don't think Fish was a strong vocalist either, but he is more unique than Hogarth who is just boring to me. The music also has suffered horribly under Hogarth. Season's End was good because a lot of the music came from writing sessions with Fish. Brave, however, is my favorite of the Hogarth years. It was also a much needed return to form for Marillion who, like IQ, were dwindling down a musical road I definitely had no interest in. I also think your comparison of Fish's solo career to Gabriel's was didn't make much sense. Both artists have tried to achieve different things with their own music. Fish may not have the same household name as Peter Gabriel does but neither does Marillion or IQ, so your argument there just doesn't hold water.
Getting back to IQ, what does everybody think about Frequency?
Edited by Mirror Image - July 28 2012 at 08:55
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I think Paul did a fair job and it wasn't his fault the band slightly changed musical direction and production sound. Some of the stuff from that era still holds it's ground (Falling apart comes to mind) and some of Paul's lyrics are really really great. Paul was more direct and delt a lot with social and political stuff (Nomzamo, Common ground for example) while Pete is more poetic and sometimes make no sense at all LOL.
I will not even get into the Marillion debate beside air my utter disgust for Misplaced childhood
Back to topic: Infocat. I'm happy for you. You discovered a pretty good band that only got better if you went backwards or forwards .
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 02:00
^Paul Menel did a good job in Peter's absence writing some great lyrics/songs for IQ even if his voice was not quite right as you say and left IQ stuck with an eighties pop sound during his duration. (btw its rumoured that Paul was the only one that attended the audition to replace Peter so if thats true IQ could have folded altogether without his involvement)
Totally disagree about Hogarth who is one of my favourite vocalists. Seasons End is my favourite Marillion album and the only one I believe to be a masterpeice in their catalogue. Fish was a great showman and magnificient live for sure but he never had the sort of career that say Gabriel had after Genesis so I am very sceptical about his supposed great talent. Fugazi was the peak of his era (imo) but even that is not as good as Seasons End in my book.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 22:30
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]I discovered IQ during the Menel years. Are you envious of me or not? Seriously, "Nostalgia/Falling Apart at the Seams" was my introduction to IQ. I got AYSC and I believe even Nomzamo before Ever came out and I really fell in love!
I don't like Menel at all. He's just as wrong for IQ as Hogarth is for Marillion. Thank goodness Nicholls returned on Ever. I would have definitely had no interest in the band if Menel was their permanent vocalist. Nicholls, in addition to being a good vocalist, writes good lyrics.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 22:18
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And IQ are about 1000 times better than Marillion...absolutely in a different class.....
I'll definitely agree that IQ are more consistent, but I don't know if they are better. That's a pretty bold statement. I mean you don't think Misplaced Childhood or Clutching At Straws are progressive rock masterpieces? I personally think they are and can stand against any progressive rock recordings that came out around the same time. I will admit I have a strong dislike for Hogarth-era Marillion. I think he's sucked the f****** life out of this once great band! I don't think Hogarth or Fish have particularly strong voices, but Fish was a much better lyricist and he was a much better frontman. I mean Hogarth could never come up with lyrics like this:
Excerpt from Hotel Hobbies off Clutching At Straws (1987):
Hotel hobbies padding dawns hollow corridors Bell boys checking out the hookers in the bar Slug-like fingers trace the star-spangled clouds of cocaine on the mirror The short straw took its bow The tell tale tocking of the last cigarette Marking time in the packet as the whisky sweat Lies like discarded armour on an unmade bed And a familiar craving is crawling in his head
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 22:15
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yam yam wrote:
Great track and fun seeing them with those new wave looks (I discovered them at that time but after so many years sometimes you forget how things were back then).
Lovely! Interesting to see some new wave punks play prog! That Peter can be one menacing looking dude!
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 22:03
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Here I'm sitting in my IQ20 T-shirt that decided to celebrate Friday with =)
I'm both a bit envious and not of you people that discovered IQ after
Ever. Why do you ask yourself? Well for us that first came in contact
and started to love IQ back in the dark ages of the 1980's wept when
Peter decided to leave the band after The Wake.
I discovered IQ during the Menel years. Are you envious of me or not? Seriously, "Nostalgia/Falling Apart at the Seams" was my introduction to IQ. I got AYSC and I believe even Nomzamo before Ever came out and I really fell in love!
I obviosly kept someone hanging with my opinion about The seventh house. I think this is an often forgotten gem. Almost up there with Ever. Much lighter then the albums that comes before and after it. The title track is one of my fav IQ tracks.
Regarding IQ live. There is one thing you can make sure. Sometime during the evening Wiggle will raise it's ugly head =) Anyone else think they at least one tour should play Barbell is in ?
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Brave, however, is my favorite of the Hogarth years. It was also a much needed return to form for Marillion who, like IQ, were dwindling down a musical road I definitely had no interest in. I also think your comparison of Fish's solo career to Gabriel's was didn't make much sense. Both artists have tried to achieve different things with their own music. Fish may not have the same household name as Peter Gabriel does but neither does Marillion or IQ, so your argument there just doesn't hold water. 
