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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2017 at 10:25
Ok for the top 100 Avant. I’ll start from the bottom if Ian starts from the top
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

What about listing some artists. Then we can pick them up from the list. I like investigating the obscurities

Yeah, you and me are probably going to be looking at the same bands, we should set up an on-line excel file of bands with people checking out an in the ones they are doing.
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Ian & Luca (I realize Greg may be on hold for a while)

Guys, we look forward to have your feedback on last comments - any tips before we declare take-off ?

I'll add another one: I usually include hiperlinks to  related artists, e.g. band members individual pages, took this from my mentor Eugene and it is hiper convenient (think of newcomers exploring a genre !)

I'm aligned to all the comments above. I was planning to start with the RIO / Zeuhl top 100. Social calendar should be a little lighter the next few weeks so should get started. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2017 at 10:18
What about listing some artists. Then we can pick them up from the list. I like investigating the obscurities
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I will get started but it will not be the highest priority among my things to do.
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As I have stated before, my time these days is severely limited owing to work and stuff. However, I intend to make a start on this over the weekend.
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What a dreamer ... I'm not getting the response I hoped for, apart from a little few  honorable exceptions (thk u guys !)

In the meantime, here are some valuable resources with hard to get info - have fun:

http://www.alexgitlin.com/
https://jugorockforever.blogspot.pt/
http://www.dragonjazz.com/
https://strawberrybricks.com/

(Does anybody know who's able to include them on our own PA Links page ? Admins ?)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Quinino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2017 at 15:23
^ Good work, my friend -  since you ask, I would also:

- Date (year)  next to signature, for future reference
- Headline the bio with "Formed in 1982 in Hartford, Connecticut, USA"  (*)

(*) This example is not the most showing but look at the one below
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=343



Edited by Quinino - November 26 2017 at 15:28
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This one needed a lot of updating, see what you think, any comments welcome

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=670


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Quinino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2017 at 04:46
I'll PM you -  see example below

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=649
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2017 at 16:26
yes I think I might need help with clickable links since I don't think the bio editor makes it easy to do this like our wonderful full reply editor
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Quinino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2017 at 16:15
Hi Ken,
My initial goal was (and remains) to us sharing ideas & tips for a better page editing - the actual writing  being a totally personal affair.
I've posted a couple, and in fact have a few more up my sleeves, but still hoping to debate and eventually get some consensus before  going to  action.
About the links, yes - I mean PA pages of relates artists, although more rarely I also add (but at the bottom with a note "See Also:") link/s to external site/s with extra information besides the Official Webpage.

If you need any help for composing the clickable links just let me know.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2017 at 14:51
I'm still game, just percolating ideas at the moment.  Are we supposed to have started or are we waiting for approval from a few?  Also, when you say links to related artists, do you mean links to their PA pages?  I think that's what I gathered
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Quinino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2017 at 13:01
^ I hear you, bro Approve

 In a perfect world, consulting with the author (when identified) and/or the genre collabs would be great but I fear this to be impracticable and non-productive on a large scale in our real-virtual little corner.

For a start I would restrict our target to those Bios from the most representative bands/artists that clearly have greater problems.
And use common sense along the way: if it's so bad as to demand our urgent attention then, what the heck, no reason to fear hurting the authorship feelings  of an unknown/careless/uninspired biographer.

In my view only borderline cases would reclaim, of course, a more careful (and time-consuming) approach like you cleverly suggested, e.g. posting the proposed updates for public  discussion on a dedicated topic.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2017 at 12:07
I’m only personally concerned with major changes when I believe that a collab wrote an original bio, and still see no problem with updating/ expanding on those.   That’s about my personal comfort level.   Many of the worst bios have been ones that have been copied from the bands and read as PR pieces, though we have also had original ones that read almost like propaganda, I know a good bio should be informative and objective. I rather made the mistake in ones I wrote of putting too much of my personality and opinions in them in an effort to make them more unique., so they acted too much as reviews.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Quinino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2017 at 11:53
I understand and mostly agree, but that pre-consultation collides with the fact that maybe over 80% of Bios are not signed... for the most part then, we'd be left in a limbo...
On the other hand, perhaps half the bios are ... expendable, to put it mildly  - common sense would advise us to have no remorse from updating these (which are the main target of my prior challenge two weeks ago)
Well, as always to decide something one has to make choices
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2017 at 10:13
I mean that we could have a thread in the collab zone to discuss this more privately, and with ones that the updater decides to majorly rewrite, we could paste those unaltered bios in that thread and link to our changes. It may be that the collab who added the artists will not like our changes and decide to make changes him or herself (I don't want people to feel publicly shamed in some cases -- I know I've written crap ones). With minor changes, such as editing grammar, adding a bit of info, minor updating, and adding links, I don't think it matters much. Incidentally, when it's an original bio, I look at editing them a bit like editing someones review (it's that person's intellectual property by my standards and I would want to be careful when dealing with their property-- that's not how the site sees it, mind you, nor is it a legal position).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Quinino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2017 at 09:58
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


I recommend a topic in the collab zone to keep track of changes.


How's that ? - Greg, please elaborate so I can fully understand what you mean ...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2017 at 09:44
Damn the doctor's advice, I wish Harry would hurry up and get it over with.

I will say that I did take the time to start going through Indo-Prog/ Raga Rock to look for bios that I think need revision (I personally don't like to edit people's work unless there are glaring-to-me errors, and if I do edit I don't like to put my name as having updated it).

I recommend a topic in the collab zone to keep track of changes.
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