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What exactly was "mighty" about posting a sign? ![]() Sounds like the people in government have the might and don't understand freedom. There are certain things I believe are wrong, but as a Libertarian, I don't support legislation against it.
This would be a great quote against free markets and Libertarianism. It really would- except that we don't have Libertarian free markets. Libertarian free market economics would see socialism go away for everyone- rich, poor, and in between. The irony is this: It's because government got involved in the first place that we have the messes we have. |
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>Ignore discussion
>Post about Ron Paul Looks like Iced Earth endorses Ron Paul... hell yea: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=168953
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You're right I won't read that one. It was far too moronic in the first two paragraphs. Trying to legislate away racism by making discrimination illegal is like trying to legislate away homosexuality by making sodomy illegal. I don't like to get in the habit of making victimless crimes illegal. Turning about away from your property on the grounds of race is no more frivolous than turning than away because they have no shirt on, or because they're wearing jeans, or because you think they smell weird, or because their SAT scores are not high enough. Yes, the owner of this establishment seems like a horrible person. Let people stop patronizing him and let him go out of business for this poor behavior.
But to sue him? For what damages? What damages did this girl incur? If right to access was a part of the lease agreement for the establishment, that's a completely different story. You can point to a clear violation of terms. I'm sorry but you cannot sue people simply because they engage in unsavory behavior, no more than we should be able to do so when people think unsavory thoughts. Why should the rules of business establishment be regulated why the rules of your home are not? The guy made a terrible decision. Let's see him be punished for that, but not by some monolithic government storming down upon him. In a free society, you're going to see a lot of behavior that makes you uneasy. You will see a lot of behavior that makes is wrong: prostitution, drug use, racism, sexism, ageism, deceit, lies, etc. That's not the issue of the government. That's an issue of culture. There's no need to pass your responsibility to an agency only with the ability to punish. Let communities take care of this. Let's educate people to eliminate this behavior. Let's boycott businesses like this. Government cannot and will not eliminate racism. Government cannot and will not enforce laws of this type equitably. People can end this type of behavior though. EDIT: The article called Buckley the leading libertarian intellectual of the time. That's just absurd. The man was never even remotely libertarian. The man consistently argued against libertarianism and quite clearly abhorred it. In his early years he payed lip service to a fusion of conservative ideas with libertarian ideas, but by this he merely meant the staunch economic policy of libertarians with regard to welfare and taxes.The man also existed at the same time as the founders of the modern libertarian movement and the libertarian political party, the most notable being Murray Rothbard and Ayn Rand (though not herself a part of the libertarian movement per se). If I can find such ridiculous factual inaccuracies just scrolling by the articles you post to respond to how ignorant I find the first two paragraphs to be, then I have very little incentive to take the time to read them. Edited by Equality 7-2521 - January 30 2012 at 17:15 |
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Some more crap you won't read:
San Pedro, California - On January 12, a great blow was struck against freedom, if you subscribe to the philosophy of Ron Paul. The Ohio Civil Rights Commission voted 4-0 to uphold its earlier finding that a Cincinnati landlord, Jamie Hein, had discriminated against a ten-year-old biracial girl by posting a "White Only" sign in June 2011, aimed at keeping her out of a swimming pool. According to Paul's worldview, this was a grave and terrible blow to the white landlord's liberty. The girl's white father, however, sees things a bit differently. "My initial reaction to seeing the sign was of shock, disgust and outrage," the girl's father, Michael Gunn, said in brief comments the day the final decision was announced. The family quickly moved away, in order to protect their daughter from exposure to such humiliating bigotry - but they also filed the lawsuit. According to Ron Paul's view of "liberty", they were right to move, but wrong to sue. Both Ron Paul and his son, Rand, oppose the 1964 Civil Rights Act, because it outlaws private acts of discrimination. This is an "infringement of liberty", they argue. And they're right: just like laws against murder, it infringes the liberty of bullies. And that's precisely what justice is: the triumph of right over might. The same logic also applies to the Civil War. It resulted in the abolition of slavery - infringing the liberty of hundreds of thousands of slaveholders. And Ron Paul thinks that was wrong, too. In June 2004, the House of Representatives voted to commemorate the
40th anniversary of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Paul was a lone voice in
opposition. On the House floor, he said:
One is tempted to ask, how, exactly, Ron Paul thinks we made such progress, if not in large measure because of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and other similar legislations? But that would only distract attention from the truly odious and absurd central claim that the act diminished individual liberty. Who, but a die-hard racist, thinks that way? Only one who thinks of die-hard racists' "rights" first, and the rights of everyone else a distant second, if at all. Just to take one commonplace example, at the time of the Freedom Rides, preceding the Civil Rights Act by a few years, when the national consensus was still asleep to the evils of racism, any form of interstate travel for black people - at least in the South, where most lived - was an ordeal not simply bereft of freedom, but filled with potential danger. The interstate bus service, desegregated by Federal Court ruling, but segregated in fact - reinforced by mob violence - was the well-chosen target of the Freedom Riders. The wretched truth of this situation was exposed forever by brave young students, white and black, who took their lives in their hands to change the course of history. But this target was only the weak link in the chains that shackled black people's freedom to travel. Private car trips were anything but a freedom-filled alternative. Blacks travelling cross-country by car - whether crossing state lines or not - faced denial of individual liberty at every turn: segregated gas stations with segregated water fountains and segregated restrooms (if they were lucky), segregated restaurants with segregated restrooms (if they were lucky), segregated motels with segregated water fountains and segregated restrooms (if they were lucky). And God help any black family travelling thus, if some emergency should arise. They would be lucky, indeed, to reach their destination unharmed. A mere flat tyre could put life and limb at risk. But thank God that white bigots, white bullies were free. Because in Ron Paul's eyes, things looked exactly the opposite: Each of these experiences of black humiliation, subjugation and unfreedom was actually a triumph of individual white property-owning freedom. And the 1964 Civil Rights Act swept all that precious freedom away. All that liberty for bullies, gone in a single "tyrannical" stroke of the pen. Liberty destroyed The last time Paul ran for president, he appeared on Meet The Press in December 2007, and Tim Russert asked him point blank: "You would vote against the Civil Rights Act if, if it was today?" Paul's response: "If it were written the same way, where the federal government's taken over property - has nothing to do with race relations." The Civil Rights Act in Paul's mind has nothing to do with race relations, because it's got nothing to do with the Civil Rights Act in the real world. And the same is true of slavery and Civil War as well, which Russert went on to ask about next:
Here, Ron Paul is echoing the ideology of neo-Confederates, who consider Lincoln, The Great Emancipator, and founding father of the Republican Party, to be one of history's greatest tyrants. You'd never know it from Paul, but it was the South that fired the first shots, long before Lincoln even thought of freeing the slaves. The interview continued:
Ron Paul might think that a slaveholder bailout was "a pretty reasonable approach". Others, such as myself, might think that paying freed slaves three or more generations of back wages was an even more reasonable approach. But none of that matters so far as actual history is concerned. Slavery was not "phased out" in Haiti - it was destroyed by an incredibly bloody slave revolt - the sort of thing that Paul elsewhere claims has never once occurred in human history. In the British Empire, slavery was relatively peripheral, limited to far-off colonies. A single foot-step onto British soil meant instant freedom for any slave. Thus, politically, slavery never had the stranglehold on power it once enjoyed in the United States. From the passage of the Slave Trade Act in 1807 onward, the British Navy helped suppress the international slave trade, capturing thousands of slave ships and freeing hundreds of thousands of slaves in the decades that followed. Finally, a bloody slave revolt in Jamaica in 1831 brought matters to a head, resulting in the general abolition of slavery in the British Empire two years later. Yes, slaveholders were compensated for their freed slaves - more than 40,000 separate awards, representing roughly one per cent of the US slave population in 1860. The Ł20 million fund was 40 per cent of the British government's total annual expenditure at the time. Thus, a similar scheme in the US - whose slavs were valued at US $75bn in 1860 - would have taken generations to pay off. Even if Southern slaveholders had been willing to take such a deal - which they most certainly weren't - it's difficult to imagine that such a prolonged slaveholder bailout would have gone anywhere near as smoothly as Ron Paul off-handedly imagines it would have. Still other countries - such as Brazil - ended slavery only after the US Civil War had shown conclusively that slavery was doomed, through civil war, if necessary. Thus, Paul's benign world-historical generalisation has no relationship at all to the actual history of the bloody and protracted struggle to rid the world of legal slavery. But Paul's grasp of US history is no better. Historically, Lincoln did not initiate the Civil War, the South did. Nor was the North originally fighting to abolish slavery - its aim was simply to preserve the Union against Southern secession. Indeed, Southern states began to secede, and form themselves into the Confederacy, even before Lincoln took office. Lincoln was elected on November 6, 1860, and was to be inaugurated almost exactly four months later, but the Southern states were not about to wait around for that. South Carolina seceded in December 1860, with six other states following shortly afterward. The Confederacy was formed in February 1861, the month before Lincoln's inauguration, on March 4, 1861. The act of secession was rejected by outgoing President Buchanan, who still officially held office, as well as by Lincoln as incoming president. In his inaugural address, Lincoln used a statement he had made repeatedly before:
And he went on to describe the limited nature of the political differences involved:
After pleading extensively for peace and the preservation of the nation, Lincoln went on to conclude:
And that is exactly what happened, with the attack on Fort Sumter. The war was not begun by Lincoln, or the North, to end slavery. It was begun by the South because they were determined, not just to preserve it, but to expand it. Three weeks after Lincoln's inauguration, Confederate Vice-President Alexander Stephens made the South's fundamental commitment to slavery abundantly clear, delivering the "Cornerstone Speech", in Savannah, Georgia, contrasting the Confederacy with the United States and declaring:
Another five weeks after that, on April 12, 1861, the Confederate attack on Fort Sumter began, the first hostilities of the Civil War. Because the South attacked first, the war naturally became known throughout the South as "The War of Northern Aggression". Long before Adolf Hitler, the Big Lie was a habit among bullies. Four more states joined the Confederacy after the attack on Fort Sumter. The war was on, and the only thing Lincoln could have done to stop it was to unconditionally surrender. Virtually, everything Ron Paul says about race in the US is wrong. He is right about the drug war, like a stopped clock is right twice each day. But because the "states' rights" holds priority for him, his crusade against the drug war would leave state drug laws unaffected, and 90 per cent of drug war prisoners still in prison. Funny, how that works out. Past lies still live on Still, some could argue that Paul's benighted views on race are all a dead letter. His views may be totally wrong, but they're also totally irrelevant, except for the occasional oddity such as Jamie Hein, they might say. But that would be a grave mistake. For one thing, Hein is just the tip of the iceberg. Cases like that may be rare, but race-based hate crimes are not. According to the latest FBI report: "In 2010, 1,949 law enforcement agencies reported 6,628 hate crime incidents involving 7,699 offences." Almost 50 per cent of hate crimes are motivated by racial bias, and another 20 per cent each are motivated by religion and sexual orientation. Almost 70 per cent of racial bias and hate crimes are anti-black. But even hate crimes are only the tip of the iceberg. As Corey Robin, author of The Reactionary Mind, pointed out on his blog last October, "a great deal of political repression happens in civil society, outside the state. More specifically, in the workplace". Robin then took up the example of McCarthyism, the most prominent examples of which all involved the state. Yet, fewer than 200 people ever went to jail for their political beliefs during this time, compared with 10-15,000 people who were fired, and a vastly larger number of workers who were investigated or subjected to surveillance - "One to two out of every five," according to Robin. This is indicative of two things: First, that private-sector repression is routinely much more far-reaching than government repression (exactly the opposite of what libertarians believe) for the very simple reason that constitutional and statutory rights limit potential government repression far more than they limit private sector repression. Second, that the chilling shadow of suspicion casts a dramatically wider net, so that overt cases of repressive action only represent a tiny fraction of the overall repression, intimidation and fear that workers experience. The liberty of bullies goes a long, long way in trampling the freedom of others in the workplace. But even this is only part of the story. There is plenty of repression outside the workplace, or not specifically tied to it, as well as plenty of repression that it is not specifically political in nature. Sexual harassment encompasses a great deal of this. So too, does bullying among children and teens, with plenty of overlap between the two. Millions of decent-hearted conservatives are as appalled and revolted by bullying and sexual harassment as their liberal counterparts are. This is particularly true of parents concerned about children's welfare. But the story is strikingly different when we look at conservatives as a politically mobilised force - whether they be libertarian conservatives, religious conservatives or whatever. And so we saw an avalanche of denials that sexual harassment even exists when Herman Cain faced multiple accusations a few months ago. Likewise, conservatives have repeatedly fought against anti-bullying protection for gay and lesbian teens, fighting over and over and over again to protect the "liberty" of bullies as if it were the highest value in the US - just like Ron Paul thinks it is. Trying to steal King's soul Perhaps, the most damnable lie that Ron Paul tells about race in the US is his claim that Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks are amongst his greatest heroes. Of course, there's not an ounce of truth in either claim. For one thing, he voted against honouring either of them - twice against making King's birthday a holiday, and once against honouring Rosa Parks with the Congressional Gold Medal. For another - as already illustrated above - he stands opposed to everything they represent. In his now-disowned newsletters, King was denounced as a "world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours" and who "seduced underage girls and boys". Surely, if King truly were such a hero to him, Ron Paul would be hopping mad that King had been portrayed like that, apparently in his own name. He would have moved heaven and earth to get to the bottom of it, find out who was responsible, and denounce them publicly by name. But, of course, unsurprisingly, Paul has done nothing of the sort. Even more than that, Paul tries his best to kidnap their prestige ala Patty Hearst, to use them for his own perverted purposes. For example, in a January 10, 2008 CNN interview, responding to questions about his newsletters, Paul said:
He said almost exactly the same thing during the ABC presidential debate last month, responding to similar questions:
But what in the world is his basis for claiming "peaceful resistance and peaceful civil disobedience" as libertarian principles? Of course, they are not principles, per se. They are political practices born out of philosophical traditions - traditions with a well-known left-wing orientation. William F Buckley, the leading libertarian intellectual of the time, adamantly opposed the civil rights movement in the 1950s, when those practices were first employed. In sharp contrast, both King and Parks had well-known leftist ties, for which they were smeared at the time. No one on the right ever claimed either of them, until they had been transformed into seemingly apolitical figures, more than a generation later. What's more, Paul has even invoked King's name to defend the armed criminal resistance of a conspiracy-obsessed militia couple - Edward and Elaine Brown - who were involved in the "noble cause" of refusing to pay their income tax and engaging in an armed standoff with federal officers. That's hardly an ennobling association for Martin Luther King, hardly an example of peaceful civil disobedience. It's much more like bullying, in fact, which is just the sort of confused association that typifies how Ron Paul jumbles the moral universe as he staggers around in it, trying to lay claim to King as a personal hero. Lastly, let us remember, that King, like Jesus, was not concerned with the bullies of the world, he was concerned with "the least of these". To understand what this means, just consider how he died, for it was deeply in keeping with how he lived. When King was assassinated, he was in Memphis to support a public employee's strike - a strike by municipal sanitation workers, who under Paul's libertarian philosophy would have no right to even organise. And he was there taking time out from his larger project of organising the multi-racial Poor People's March, a concerted attempt to vastly increase federal assistance to the poor - yet another activity that Paul would have bitterly opposed as not just wrong-headed, but unconstitutional. To the sanitation workers in Memphis, King said:
But as far as Paul's libertarian philosophy is concerned, the Memphis sanitation workers were receiving a market wage and that was all they were entitled to. If their children starved, that was just too bad. Any attempt they made outside the marketplace to try to raise themselves up from poverty was an act of bullying on their part. That's just the way the world looks when the liberty of bullies is the highest value that you know. King, however, knew that all the libertarian talk about free markets was just so much rubbish: "We all too often have socialism for the rich," he once said, "and rugged free market capitalism for the poor." Paul Rosenberg is the Senior Editor of Random Lengths News, a bi-weekly alternative community newspaper. Follow him on Twitter: @PaulHRosenberg The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy. |
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I made the comment regarding the opening line. I did not reference your article at all in my comment. I made an "if, then" statement regarding people who would assert that the Founders as a whole, or even as a majority, favored a strong central government. That's not me dismissing your post, and I really doubt his article will hurt my view of reality as I believe I have probably researched that time period as well as most. As I said, I plan on reading it and likewise responding. I do in general respect Parry for his work with the Iran-Contra scandal (if it's the same guy).
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Actually I found it to be well written but then you often dismiss whatever I post offhand without addressing it. I respect Robert Parry and I think he makes some good points even if it does hurt your sense of reality. I don't think any of that dismisses that there were differing visions of ideology regarding the future of the country but federalism did prevail in the end. Edited by Slartibartfast - January 30 2012 at 15:19 |
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I'll probably read that eventually, but anything stating that the Founders were fed up with State sovereignty is just ahistorical and most likely an outright lie since you would essentially have to maneuver around this information when examining an original sources of the time. Yes some founders did want a strong central government. Nobody in their right mind will deny this. Some founders also wanted a king. Can I go around saying that the Founders were fed up with the republican form of government? It's just absurd even for a lot of the biased stuff you usually post.
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The Founders’ True ForesightJanuary 28, 2012 Exclusive: The Tea Party’s revisionist history of the nation’s founding document may play well with the ill-informed, but the truth is the framers of the Constitution were fed up with state “sovereignty” and decided on a strong central government, a judgment that has served the United States well, writes Robert Parry.
By Robert Parry After the Constitutional Convention in 1787, Benjamin Franklin, its oldest and possibly most renowned delegate, recommended that the new American political framework could be a model for Europe, suggesting “a Federal Union and one grand republic of all its different states and kingdoms, by means of a like Convention.” Of course, Franklin’s suggestion fell on deaf ears in Europe where nation states already had long histories of deep-seated grievances against one another. Forming an enduring union proved hard enough for the 13 American states with their much shallower differences. Ignoring Franklin’s advice, Europe remained sharply divided and those rivalries threw the world into periodic fits of bloody chaos. Two powerful dictators – Napoleon and Hitler – would try and fail to unify the Continent by force. It would not be until the last half of the 20th Century when a loose federation of democratic European states would take shape as the European Union. However, the current European financial crisis highlights the shortcomings of the EU, particularly how the European nations retain much of their old sovereignty and keep control over key policies, particularly their budgets making it difficult to coordinate fiscal strategies behind a common currency, the euro. Indeed, today’s European Union resembles more the ineffectual Articles of Confederation, which governed the United States from 1777 to 1787, than the U.S. Constitution with its strong central government. The Confederation’s Article II declared that “each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated.” The United States wasn’t really even a government or a nation then. It was called “a firm league of friendship” among the states. General George Washington was particularly contemptuous of this concept of “state sovereignty” because he had watched his soldiers freeze and starve when the states reneged on promised contributions to the Continental Army. So, with George Washington in the lead and fellow Virginian James Madison serving as architect, some of America’s most distinguished citizens, including Franklin, met in secret in Philadelphia to devise a governing framework that eliminated the independence of the states and subsumed their sovereignty into a binding Union. The new American system concentrated the key national powers, from currency to defense to commerce, in the central government (though leaving more local matters to the states and municipalities). The framers wanted a vibrant central government that could tackle the present and future needs of a vast nation – and that is what they achieved. Despite some moral compromises like tolerating slavery – and despite decades of struggle against forces that objected to the dominant power of the federal government – the Constitution has worked pretty much as the Founders intended. It has proved, by and large, to be a flexible governing arrangement that enabled the United States to adapt to changes and to emerge as the world’s leading nation. Tea Party ‘History’ However, even today, influential political movements, such as the Tea Party and much of the Republican Party, continue to attack what has been the most effective feature of the Constitution, its potential for providing national solutions to national problems. Earlier political attacks on the Constitution were more frontal – such as the Nullificationists in the 1830s and the secessionists of the Confederacy in the early 1860s – essentially reasserting the states’ independence that had been lost in the drafting and ratification of the Constitution. Today’s assault is more modern, based on a combination of widespread ignorance about American history and disinformation spread through a pervasive propaganda network. Rather than defying the Constitution, today’s nullificationists simply revise the history to their liking under the guise of divining the Founders’ “originalist” intent. It has become a touchstone of the American Right that the Founders wanted a weak central government and were big-time advocates of states’ rights. Tea Partiers also dress up in Revolutionary War costumes and pretend that the enemy of that time must have been Philadelphia, not London. They seem to think that their coiled-snake “Don’t Tread on Me” flag was aimed at fellow Americans, not the British. In the real history, the banner that addressed the American colonists was one devised by Franklin showing a snake cut into pieces, representing the colonies/states with the warning, “Join, or Die.” If Tea Partiers directed their snake venom at the creators of a strong American nation-state back then – the targets would be the likes of Washington, Madison and Franklin. But today’s right-wingers simply ignore the historical fact that Madison inserted the crucial Commerce Clause quite deliberately into the Constitution because he felt a national strategy on commerce was vital if the United States was to fend off predatory European competition. And, the whole point of giving the U.S. central government control over interstate commerce was so the country could implement national solutions to national problems. That was why even a conservative U.S. Appeals Court judge, Laurence Silberman, ruled recently that the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) was constitutional, because he recognized that Congress has broad powers to devise responses to challenges that impact the nation’s commerce. Citing the intent of the Founders and longstanding legal precedents, Silberman concluded that the law – even its requirement for individuals to obtain health insurance – fits within the Constitution (though it’s still very possible that the Republican partisans on the U.S. Supreme Court will reverse Silberman’s ruling to deal President Barack Obama a political body blow right before the election.) False Narrative After all, the Right has spent years now building up its false founding narrative with the same kind of determination and resources that it has invested in many other false narratives. For that reason, many more people know the Right’s argument that the Tenth Amendment is determinative on state’s rights than understand that it was more a case of closing the barn door after the horse was gone. The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution states, “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” But the Right’s historical revisionists miss the key point here. The Constitution already had granted broad powers to the federal government – including regulation of national commerce – so there were far fewer powers left for the states. The Tenth Amendment amounted to a minor concession to mollify the anti-federalist bloc that unsuccessfully sought to block ratification of the Constitution by the 13 states. To further appreciate how modest the Tenth Amendment concession was, you also must compare its wording with Article II of the Confederation, which is what it essentially replaced. Remember, Article II says “each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated.” All that language is either eliminated in the Constitution or substantially watered down. In effect, the power relationship between the federal government and the states was reversed by the Founders who convened in Philadelphia in 1787. The Tea Party’s misguided “history” of the Founding is also reflected in how little some of the Right’s champions know about real Revolutionary War history. For instance, Texas Gov. Rick Perry told some voters that the Revolution was fought in the 1500s, a couple of centuries off, while Rep. Michele Bachmann claimed the opening shots of the Revolution were fired in New Hampshire, rather than Massachusetts. But the current irony of the Right’s revisionist history on the Constitution is that it comes at a time when the financial crisis in Europe – and its inability to adopt a comprehensive regional solution – underscores the wisdom of America’s Founders to create a strong national government. The Right’s neo-Confederate assault on the Constitution also comes at a time when innovative national solutions are desperately needed for the American people, both to respond to the economic recession caused by the Wall Street crash of 2008 and to address long-term problems that threaten the welfare of the nation, from the health-care crisis to a decaying infrastructure to cataclysmic climate change. To take on these pressing national challenges through unified national action would be precisely what George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and James Madison had in mind. |
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You should read Etienne de la Boetie too. I love Frederic Bastiat's negative railroad conceptualization and most of Economic Sophisms actually. |
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In some sense, no monetary system ever represents any intrinsic value aside from its ability to serve as a trade mechanism. Even on a hard standard, gold has a real value as a commodity, but this is quite different from its monetary value which can be seen as kind of meaningless. I agree with the anger though. |
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Romney vs Gingrich... This is so entertaining... They're killling each other
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![]() We have it up but not running yet (kids, etc.). I was hoping for something better...CNN did a good job last time, and it's the last debate for a month. NBC was awful. |
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Watching the debate. All the questions and all the answers give me a gigantic sense of deja vu...
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I quite like this one. I am not an anarchist (I do envision a minimal role of government), but I appreciate his observation. |
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I assume the question is "Why must there be laws?" or "Why must there be leaders?"
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Possible answers from the opposite direction:
1. That's why we elect these people so they are accountable. 2. We always elect people of high moral fiber. 3. You can say the same the other way around. Of course all reasons make little sense. |
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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
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Wish I'd have found Bastiat sooner because I've been stumbling over my words trying to say exactly this for the last several years here:
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Gamemako ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 31 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1184 |
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People are wiling to place a lot more trust in large banks than on individuals. This is why I always laugh when I see the WSJ talking about how the Bond Vigilantes are going to come in and crush the ability of the US to borrow money. Pure fantasy: people have enormous faith in the ability of the government to pay, so it will never happen. It's a game of cat-and-mouse, where risk is assessed at a value and traded depending on what that risk is worth at any given time. It's hard as individuals to understand the business because we lack sufficient capital for investors to be willing to trust us. |
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Hail Eris!
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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The thing that is rocking my world today is that most of our society (or at least ignorant naive me) assume(d) that money had some solidity. In fact to say "I owe you $20" demands that it's 20 of something. Even an agreed upon amount of air. To call some 20 its ratio compared to 1 must have meaning.
It is clear that $20 is NOT evenly 20 of anything. Except a highly variable result that's spit out of a nasty and untransparent game that rich arseholes play. My view of world took another hit today. I read the justification for how this works and I get it. The justification of "Bank Money" being an assumption of debt risk, the justification for having multiple IOUs for the same amount of initial capital...it's all a bunch of complete BS. And people starve because they don't have a piece of paper that says $5 on it. Mass delusion. And I'm still part of it.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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