Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread

Dr. Occulator wrote: Trying to find if there was a poll done to rate the Live DVD of Delicate Sound of Thunder against Pulse. Can someone help me?

Trying to find if there was a poll done to rate the Live DVD of Delicate Sound of Thunder against Pulse.

Dellinger wrote: Sumdeus wrote: Horizons wrote: I thought it was the opposite. After Syd left Water got all the power and thats how their experimental music was made. Guess i was wrong? After Syd left is when the experimental music was made?Have you actually listened to Piper? Of course the experimental side of Pink Floyd existed since the beginning, with Barrett... and even more so when they played live. When Barrett left, the rest of the band didn't really know what to do, so they kept doing whatever came to mind (Ummagumma anyone?), and I understand they were in a period still full of experimentation, and just about everyone had something to add to their albums. I guess, by the time of Dark Side, they just made use of all that they learned from all that experimentation, and little by little Waters began to take more control of the band. Still, for me Dark Side still was very well ballanced as far as writing for the album is concerned, and it wouldn't have been any way as great as it was if they weren't all involved. Even Wish You Were Here was still pretty good as far as collaboration is involved. Even Animals I would feel still has some good input apart from Waters (granted, the only song that wasn't completley written by Waters is Dogs... but as far as I understand, the music on that one is by Gilmour - and only the lyrics by Waters - and that song is almost half the album, and for me by far the best song). And coming into The Wall, that album is almost all Waters, but I'm still under the impression that if it wasn't for Gilmour giving his input and fighting to make better some things, the album might have been much worse that it actually ended up... plus, what would be of The Wall if it didn't have "Comfortably Numb", which was written by Gilmour?

Both Gilmour and Mason (probably Wright too, not sure) have stated that Waters was not very gracious about giving credit where credit was due.  Most of the Roger dominated albums were presented to the band as rough demos (VERY rough, according to Gilmour), and the band as a whole would help Roger mold them into proper songs.  The Wall was really the first example of Waters having most of the control, but I think that album would have been even less musical than it was had it not been for Gilmour's input (Waters has admitted as much in more recent times).  Mason and Wright were not really contributing anything by that point though.

I'm not trying to downplay Waters at all (neither was Gilmour, for that matter), only to point out that his megalomaniac personality during those late 70's, early 80's albums was such that he believed he did all the work.  As Nick Mason would later say, you can't really change the mind of someone who "believes", with facts.
 


Edited by infandous - February 15 2013 at 10:31

Sumdeus wrote: Horizons wrote: I thought it was the opposite. After Syd left Water got all the power and thats how their experimental music was made. Guess i was wrong? After Syd left is when the experimental music was made?Have you actually listened to Piper?

Of course the experimental side of Pink Floyd existed since the beginning, with Barrett... and even more so when they played live. When Barrett left, the rest of the band didn't really know what to do, so they kept doing whatever came to mind (Ummagumma anyone?), and I understand they were in a period still full of experimentation, and just about everyone had something to add to their albums. I guess, by the time of Dark Side, they just made use of all that they learned from all that experimentation, and little by little Waters began to take more control of the band. Still, for me Dark Side still was very well ballanced as far as writing for the album is concerned, and it wouldn't have been any way as great as it was if they weren't all involved. Even Wish You Were Here was still pretty good as far as collaboration is involved. Even Animals I would feel still has some good input apart from Waters (granted, the only song that wasn't completley written by Waters is Dogs... but as far as I understand, the music on that one is by Gilmour - and only the lyrics by Waters - and that song is almost half the album, and for me by far the best song). And coming into The Wall, that album is almost all Waters, but I'm still under the impression that if it wasn't for Gilmour giving his input and fighting to make better some things, the album might have been much worse that it actually ended up... plus, what would be of The Wall if it didn't have "Comfortably Numb", which was written by Gilmour?

Pink Floyd was the first band I got into as a kid (and by kid, I mean 5 years old, back in 1979). My favorite period is the one from Darkside to Animals, the latter being my favorite Floyd album.  Even though only Waters and Gilmour are credited for songwriting, I always thought that it was on Animals that Floyd sounded the most like a band.  Each member shines on this album I believe be it Waters best bass lines or lyrics, Gilmour's amazing guitar and vocal work, Wright's PERFECT ambiences and parts and Mason's best (and most proggy) drum parts.

I became a fan of Floyd when I bought my first ever CD, Dark Side Of The Moon.  I first got into that and the albums after it.  However, after a viewing of Live At Pompeii, the era before Dark Side became, and remains, my absolute favorite.  I just found their experimental stuff much more enjoyable the angst ridden and clinical Water's dominated stuff.  I think they were far better when they were an actual band, rather than Waters dominated (though Gilmour always had a lot of input in the later stuff).

The non-Waters albums, however, don't do much for me.  Though Division Bell is a decent album in it's own right, it and Momentary Lapse really do sound more like Floyd tributes than actual Pink Floyd albums.

Pink Floyd is by far my favorite band and David Gilmour, my biggest influence as a guitar player and composer.

Edited by DamianX_JVL - February 10 2013 at 21:09

Anyone catch the Wish You Were Here documentary on BBC 4 last night?

infandous wrote: Dellinger wrote: infandous wrote: Kati wrote: infandous wrote: Kati wrote: I am a big Floyd fan, so much so I don't think it's fair I get slack when I say Devision Bell is more 80's pop rock not as special as previous albums because Walters is missing, I say this because I really believe it to be true. I adore Gilmore and Richard even more so but honestly what I love the most of this album is the artwork (don't shoot me pls), this album is more 80's Duran Duran inclined to me. Ok don't shoot me, instead hug me pretty please?  Please?   I agree To be honest, I saw them twice on the Division Bell tour and it was fabulous.  The albums without Waters though, were pale imitations at best, while still being a decent listen.  My girlfriend loves all things Floyd, so I get to hear Division Bell and Momentary Lapse, and I have to say they are both better than most of what was "popular" at the times of their release.To be fair to Gilmour and company, I don't find Waters' solo works to be much better.  Waters doesn't seem to care for melody in his music.I also say Waters' The Wall live a couple years ago, and it was great.......though I couldn't help but feel disappointment when the Comfortably Numb solo came around and it wasn't Gilmour playing it (the guy did a nearly flawless imitation.......but it was still just an imitation). Infandous, we seem to be great insync yay I love you  and your girlfriend too, 3some yay  lol hahahaha I love to shock but seriously glad you understand what I mean tho'    Well, I'd be game, not sure the girlfriend is into that though On Friday night, I sat in with a friend of mine who does acoustic shows in my area, on the Pink Floyd section of his performance.  We did most of Dark Side, a chunk of The Wall, "Pigs", "Fearless", and "Coming Back to Life".  All acoustic, mind you.  It was good fun.  I had never played (or learned) "Coming Back To Life" before, but like all Floyd tunes, it was very easy to pick up and play along to, even with the pressure of an expectant audience. Have you heard Gilmour's DVD "David Gilmour in Concert". It's a semi-acoustic set, and it might be interesting for you or your friend if you want to play Pink Floyd acoustic. Plus, it's a great concert. I've seen Shine On You Crazy Diamond from it, which is brilliant.  I don't think either of us have the proper effects pedals to pull that off though (nor the proper flair..........I could perhaps mimic it, but only Gilmour could really make it work).  I'll have to track it down to check out the rest.  I've been playing acoustic Floyd renditions for many years though, and I just do my own thing with them, while still leaving them recognizable as Floyd songs.

Which part of Shine On? The first part is rather unlike what he did on the rest of the show, for on it he turned it compeley acoustic, and most of it only with his guitar. On most of the show, however, he does use his electric guitar, though only for the guitar solos, while performing the rest of the song acoustic... the second part of Shine on uses this aproach, playing Wright's original keyboard parts with his electric guitar, and then following with his own guitar solo (and then, of course, the vocal section back again). However, I wouldn't think it would be best for you to completley copy what Gilmour did, but it might give you some ideas... or at the very least it might be interesting.

Dellinger wrote: infandous wrote: Kati wrote: infandous wrote: Kati wrote: I am a big Floyd fan, so much so I don't think it's fair I get slack when I say Devision Bell is more 80's pop rock not as special as previous albums because Walters is missing, I say this because I really believe it to be true. I adore Gilmore and Richard even more so but honestly what I love the most of this album is the artwork (don't shoot me pls), this album is more 80's Duran Duran inclined to me. Ok don't shoot me, instead hug me pretty please?  Please?   I agree To be honest, I saw them twice on the Division Bell tour and it was fabulous.  The albums without Waters though, were pale imitations at best, while still being a decent listen.  My girlfriend loves all things Floyd, so I get to hear Division Bell and Momentary Lapse, and I have to say they are both better than most of what was "popular" at the times of their release.To be fair to Gilmour and company, I don't find Waters' solo works to be much better.  Waters doesn't seem to care for melody in his music.I also say Waters' The Wall live a couple years ago, and it was great.......though I couldn't help but feel disappointment when the Comfortably Numb solo came around and it wasn't Gilmour playing it (the guy did a nearly flawless imitation.......but it was still just an imitation). Infandous, we seem to be great insync yay I love you  and your girlfriend too, 3some yay  lol hahahaha I love to shock but seriously glad you understand what I mean tho'    Well, I'd be game, not sure the girlfriend is into that though On Friday night, I sat in with a friend of mine who does acoustic shows in my area, on the Pink Floyd section of his performance.  We did most of Dark Side, a chunk of The Wall, "Pigs", "Fearless", and "Coming Back to Life".  All acoustic, mind you.  It was good fun.  I had never played (or learned) "Coming Back To Life" before, but like all Floyd tunes, it was very easy to pick up and play along to, even with the pressure of an expectant audience. Have you heard Gilmour's DVD "David Gilmour in Concert". It's a semi-acoustic set, and it might be interesting for you or your friend if you want to play Pink Floyd acoustic. Plus, it's a great concert.