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Mate, don't worry. Just remember that we have one or two of these types of thread start as soon as the one before them dies. It is a neverending story of -

x band is not progressive.... but x band is...

And so on, you will see this if you hang around here long enough.
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Jeez, I've created a monster.
I'll remember from here on out not to post anything controversial like this.
Sorry if I got anybody angry.
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Hi,

Must... use... more... elipses... to... make... myself... more... cryptic... than... Ulver... on... acid.

(Moshkito, elipses make your posts very hard to understand Thumbs Up)

Anyway. My point remains fairly easy to understand. Pink Floyd as music, moves me emotionally, they also happen to be a band that fuses progressive and non-progressive characteristics. It is about the music, that is all it ever will be, and all it ever should be.
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

I've got a little story to share. 
Alright, I make a lot of lists; many of which are dedicated to progressive rock. In fact, I was making one of this exact kind the other night. I kind of hit that point where I couldn't think of ANY more songs to place on the list, so I foolishly went onto the Rock and Pop section of Yahoo! Answers to find some suggestions.
Every...single...answer...said 'you need more Pink Floyd', when they had at least 14 songs ranked already. One of the answerers complained about the absence of "Another Brick in the Wall Part II"! I didn't get any suggestions for the other great bands on the list, no Kansas, King Crimson, or Genesis recommendations!

And this isn't only on Yahoo! Answers...what is the progressive band that gets tons of airplay on the radio? Pink Floyd. Which progressive rock band has sold millions upon millions of records over their contemporaries, who are arguably better? Pink Floyd. Which band receives almost universal acclaim for a style of music that other bands did just as well, if not better? PINK FLOYD. 

Trust me, you can ask any classic rock junky about Pink Floyd, and they'd claim to be all-knowing in the realm of progressive rock music. I dare you, ask them about Van der Graaf Generator or Family, and they'd be totally lost. This is what I mean. Pink Floyd is a great band, sure, and one of the best prog bands, without a doubt, but, I mean, COME ON. What did they ever do that makes them so much better and so much more popular than Tull, Yes, and ELP?

The reason people say Pink Floyd so much is because of their commercially successful albums. People see my PF t shirt and ask me what my favorite album is, and I mention an early PF album, and I get this funny look, as if I'm making it up.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

First of all ... Pink Floyd is not "progressive" ... and they couldn't give a poop about the term or its meaning or anything else. Pink Floyd is much more about the time and place .... than anything else ... but they must be given credit like The Beatles, and some other bands, as having set the tone for a lot of things that were not being done, and specially, help FM radio take flight in places like America ... people did not go see "Be Carefull with that Axe, Eugne" because it was prog ... no one went to see "Dark Side of the Moon" because it was "prog" ... so drop the pretense and get rid of the garbage!

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Pink Floyd is prog. I don't only listen to bands because they are 'prog', I listen to bands because I enjoy their music, regardless of progressive credentials.
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

The nature of "hit radio" is about playing the same thing over and over ... so you can buy it again and help maintain the quota that some group think they should get ... wether you think so or not ... sort of like American phone companies ... or energy companies ... who think they have a "right" to take your money ... and you have n o right to say anything or complaint about the service. Screw you ... I need my million and you are gonna help me get it ... kind of thing ...

You don't have to pay an electricity or phone company. You can say 'screw you' all you want. You can just live without lights and heat

I'm not going to comment on the rest because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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Hi,
 
I find it cynical, and strange ... that people say things like that about PF ... however, it does get to the point where the over-kissingdoes get boring and tiresome.
 
First of all ... Pink Floyd is not "progressive" ... and they couldn't give a poop about the term or its meaning or anything else. Pink Floyd is much more about the time and place .... than anything else ... but they must be given credit like The Beatles, and some other bands, as having set the tone for a lot of things that were not being done, and specially, help FM radio take flight in places like America ... people did not go see "Be Carefull with that Axe, Eugne" because it was prog ... no one went to see "Dark Side of the Moon" because it was "prog" ... so drop the pretense and get rid of the garbage!
 
It was great music, by people that were educated and intelligent and were doing music ... instead of people that had so very little musical knowledge/ability in the first place ... and unlike a lot of greed monsters, this band put together another label and devoted a lot of their efforts to helping others get music out ... which in a way helped expand that artistic side of things into "eccentric" and eventually helped mold some other big names ... like Mike Oldfield!
 
The nature of "hit radio" is about playing the same thing over and over ... so you can buy it again and help maintain the quota that some group think they should get ... wether you think so or not ... sort of like American phone companies ... or energy companies ... who think they have a "right" to take your money ... and you have n o right to say anything or complaint about the service. Screw you ... I need my million and you are gonna help me get it ... kind of thing ...
 
The big issue with top ten lists ... is that they are re-inforcing the power of these conglomerates, many of which you and I are trying so hard to make sure they break ... so a lot of the music we discuss and believe in ... can also be heard and appreciated ... but no ... you are worried about the Googles or Yahoos or ... the list ... by folks that represent that corporate ideal even more ... the ideal that the rich must stay rich, and you pay for it!
 
The music you want to discuss is not about that ... never was ... it's about something holy other and creative ... and if you can't see that and stop treating them as just another part of your own backyard ... maybe you should just take a study in statistics (Thx G3 for this one)  and become a s(t)adistic clerk somewhere and stop talking in a prog board ... you'd would be representing the worst that an experimental and creative band ... could possibly be ... and never will!
 
Because it's about the music ... not the numbers ... and you should/must know that difference.
 
You decide.


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I enjoy every single Pink Floyd album. There's enough variety in ther catelog so I could listen to only Floyd forever and it wouldn't be a horrible thing.
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

Are you kidding? I love those records. 
I'm just sick of hearing about their Dark Side of the Moon-The Wall era stuff, you know?
 
 
 
Well you're being over-exposed to these four marvellous (and near perfect) albums ..... that's one thing
 
 
Seeing your young age.Wink.... i think you're forgetting that Floyd was groundbreaking at every step they took..... They explored new grounds every time they published a new album..... they topok pride is not copying themselves  in any shape way or form
 
 
You may be sick of hearing DSOTM....... but this is rightfully one of the best album ever made..... they knew they were onto something, and they made sure it would make history.... there isn't a single note on that album that is not simply bloody perfect..... back in 73...... jusr like today
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Are you kidding? I love those records. 
I'm just sick of hearing about their Dark Side of the Moon-The Wall era stuff, you know?
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

I just don't think it's fair that other bands, which are arguably much better, get no recognition, and are stuck standing in Floyd's shadow. 
 
You should clean the crud out of your ears and LISTEN intelligently before posting such crap......
 
 
First your argument already gives a final mouth clampdown answer..... the bands that get stuck in  Floyd's shadow because they are derivative and have absolutely NOTHING new to say.....
 
 
Floyd is/was one of the best bands ever and rightly deserves every ounce of recognition ....
 
these guys were one of the most adventurous group ever, and only part of what they did is actually available on disc
 
Not only did they write soundtracks to films and ballets, but they also created special shows in musique concrete (the famous Concertgebouw shows  in Amsterdam)
 
 
There is no two albums of theirs that even sound the same, because they took care to reinvent themselves with every new album......  What other group can claim this??? Not even Gentle Giant or Crimson
 
 
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

I don't get kind of sick about anything regarding musical bands or their status, be it legendary or obscure. I don't get kind of sick about any perception regarding progressive rock. And I don't open threads, to summon everyone who would be kind of sick of the same thing.


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Floyd were a fairly simple prog band. I like meddle, atom heart, obscured, animals and the wall. I really don't care for dark side or wish you were here much
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After being a big Pink Floyd fan for many years, I got kind of tired of the band and stopped listening to PF's albums for years (particularly as I got back into, and really explored deeply, progressive rock).  I've fairly recently come to appreciate PF releases more after re-discovering Atom Heart Mother which fits my tastes very well.  Music appreciation can be so cyclical for me and of course tastes change/ develop/ expand over time.  When I joined this site I think that Gentle Giant was still my favourite band, but I overplayed it and went off it. I used to love Yes (at least for Fragile -- vever much cared for Close to the Edge on the whole), but went off it many years ago.  I used to really like ELP, but now find it almost unplayable on the whole.

I don't really care what most other people say and have never cared that much about popularity status.  The majoirty of the music I really like is pretty obscure, but it's not because music is less popular that I like it, it's more that my tastes are fairly unusual (though not that unusual at PA).
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I'm listening to Animals right now. I've probably heard it over 100 times in my life. It still amazes me.
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I don't get kind of sick about anything regarding musical bands or their status, be it legendary or obscure. I don't get kind of sick about any perception regarding progressive rock. And I don't open threads, to summon everyone who would be kind of sick of the same thing.
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

Trust me, you can ask any classic rock junky about Pink Floyd, and they'd claim to be all-knowing in the realm of progressive rock music. I dare you, ask them about Van der Graaf Generator or Family, and they'd be totally lost. 

I don't think most "classic rock junkies" know or want to admit that PF is progressive rock. 

On the rest of your post:
I think the thing that causes all these things is that PF are relatively accesible compared to a band like VDGG. 
There are many people that can't stand Peter Hammill's vocals or whatever thing that might sound a bit radical to one's ears.
PF don't really have any of those radical things (early Floyd does have some by the way, Atom Heart Mother for example), but that doesn't mean they are any less good or unique. 
The band manages to interest both prog fans and "mainstream" music listeners, which is quite a special thing if you ask me. 

Also, if you stay a while on this site you will be wanting some PF threads after the thousands of Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater threads you'll find here!LOL
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If they're popular, that means they're not good (?)
Yeah, Another Brick Pt. 2 is not a great song, you might not like their popular songs and I would agree, but have ou ever listened to Animals, Meddle, Atom Heart Mother...?
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Well, of course, but several of Pink Floyd's songs, even if they aren't strictly *symphonic* are exceedingly lengthy.
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:


Catchiness really isn't a big concern when it comes to progressive rock music, however, am I correct?
But I suppose that's why they receive so much airplay, huh?


For sure, "classic rock" listeners don't wanna sit through some super long composition with a symphonic structure.
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But that's their appeal, you know?
Ian Anderson and Peter Hammill are both magnificent singers, mainly because of the quirkiness of their voices. It's the same deal with Peter Gabriel and Jon Anderson; and I doubt anyone would claim that  Barett's and Waters's voices aren't 'peculiar' or 'quirky', even if Gilmour's aren't.

Catchiness really isn't a big concern when it comes to progressive rock music, however, am I correct?
But I suppose that's why they receive so much airplay, huh?
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