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Quinino
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^ David - now you nailed it, mister, good job !
I updated both bands per your info (with respect to the photo I wouldn't mind changing it with a newer one - from an archival POV better yet to keep an historical memory, only my opinion anyway) Thanks |
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yam yam
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OK, I'm now ready to go with this. I can confirm that only Corey Lennox and Brandon Horsley remain from the line up that gave us 'The Autumn EP' in 2014. I therefore wrote a new bio, complied from various sources, and sent it to Corey via facebook messenger for his approval. He is completely satisfied with the information it contains, so here we are:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SURREAL is the brainchild of Corey LENNOX, a graduate of the Berklee College Of Music, and is a band of four young musicians from Atlanta, Georgia, USA playing art rock with indie/alternative transitions. The original line up consisted of Brandon HORSLEY (keys), Corey LENNOX (vocals, bass, guitar, keys), Max EVE (guitar) and Kyle McCARTHY (drums), but in the early stages Corey recorded a lot of the material in Surreal’s studio by himself, and although the initial band was temporarily suspended while he was at the Berklee College of Music in Boston, they did manage to cut their 2008 debut album 'Autumn' together during college breaks. This album was made with female guest vocals, containing catchy melodies, and song structures similar to BIG BIG TRAIN, DREAM THEATER and IZZ - as well as more straight forward rock rhythms. Upon his return from college in the spring of 2010, with Stephen KELLER replacing Max EVE on guitar, Patrick EGAN replacing Kyle McCARTHY on drums, and the addition of Julie HOLMES on bass and vocals, Corey began working on a new album called "Someday Was Today", which was finally completed about a year later in May 2011. Five songs from the original 'Autumn' album were eventually re-worked with this new "official" Surreal line up and released as 'The Autumn EP' in 2014. The original 'Autumn' album from the band's old high school days was considered by Lennox and Horsley to be rather poorly executed, and they have actually tried to bury it since. Despite the project's music receiving international acclaim and a fair amount of independent radio play, it has proven a difficult task for Lennox and Horsley to find and keep other musicians who share their passion and commitment, and consequently more lineup changes followed in the wake of The Autumn EP's release. That all changed in 2016 however, with the addition of a brand new rhythm section comprised of Atlanta-based songwriter and performer Daniel GRAHAM (who is also the chief organiser of the annual 'Prognosis Atlanta' DIY music festival, as well the ex-frontman of the band OMNIPRESENT (http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=8427), on bass at the beginning of 2016, and Jeffrey MATTHEWS (a graduate of The Atlanta Institute of Music & Media, who had also previously worked with OMNIPRESENT) on drums in September of that year. This fresh, revitalized lineup - resembling something like an Atlanta scene supergroup - performed numerous small-scale gigs in 2016 and 2017, gradually testing and refining the material that was to become their latest album, "The Rush" (released in early December 2017) - a richly textured, emotionally charged, and genre-bending album considered by Lennox to be one of the finest works of his musical career, and featuring a 27-minute prog rock epic called "Endings Are Beginnings" - a suite of music that showcases not only Corey's compositional prowess, but the talents and arranging sensibilities of each individual band member. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I added the two missing albums without any problems, but the band photograph I included previously (and still being used in their current electronic press kit) is actually their old line up from 2014, and three of them have since left the band. The current four-piece line-up photo can be found at: https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/018/394/093/404e10a38d02f02eb86f5444ebb01387_original.jpg?crop=faces&w=1552&h=873&fit=crop&v=1505930007&auto=format&q=92&s=fc35f2f2a6fe8df14eae570bd7ee9a22, and once again is quite large, and will need resizing. Hope this is all OK. Edit: Daniel Graham's old band Omnipresent (which Jeff Matthews helped out with in the latter stages) disbanded in November 2016, but still have an official website at http://omnipresentband.wixsite.com/omnipresentonline. The progarchives band website link for them at the moment is just their bandcamp page: https://omnipresentband.bandcamp.com/.
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Quinino
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It is really awful to drain our patience this way (Do never forget to backup before posting) I'll update Someday Was Today and will be waiting for your following contributions, thanks mate! EDIT: Ok, did a little facelift on both present albums - please comment any incorrection Edited by Quinino - December 25 2017 at 15:47 |
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octopus-4
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I hope I'll find some spare time in the next few days.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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yam yam
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^ Will do my best Jose.
Just checking a few details with Corey regarding the current status of Julie Holmes within the band and then I'll attempt to add the two missing albums (the existing album 'Someday Was Today' will need editing by yourself, since it currently has no line up / musicians details, and I can't edit existing albums myself). Will post the new bio, and the musicians involved in the 'Someday Was Today' album here when I'm done adding the other two albums. Edit: What a nightmare posting just this bit of purely plain text here - nine 'access denied' errors already...
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Quinino
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^ I uploaded photo and webpage link and will leave the rest to you, is it OK? (would you consider editing a new Bio and post it here ?)
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yam yam
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Surreal's bio needs an update: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4027.
The band was added way back in 2008, when I don't think proper 'team' evaluations were the order of the day, and was based on their 2008 full album debut "Autumn", and although the initial band was temporarily suspended while its creator Corey Lennox was at the Berklee College of Music in Boston, they managed to cut the album together over college breaks. There has since been the full album "Someday Was Today", released in 2011 (which is included on the page), The Autumn EP released on April 2, 2014 (which isn't) and "The Rush", which was released at the beginning of December this year (and also isn't on the Surreal PA page as yet). The band photo is way out of date, and the website link points to reverbnation, when they actually have an official site at http://www.surrealband.com/. There is an official electronic press kit with the current bio, band members etc at http://www.surrealband.com/electronic_press_kit/, and their earlier incarnation can be read about via their old press kit at http://www.surrealband.com/files/Surreal_Press_Kit.pdf. A current band photo can be found at http://www.surrealband.com/img/sfpl.jpg (it is quite large, and will need resizing). They no longer list the 2008 "Autumn" full album amongst their official releases, and Corey Lennox has said on facebook that the album was "interesting". They did release it, but it was their old high school stuff. He went away to college, and re-did the lineup 4 years later when the "official" Surreal was formed. They actually tried to bury the original "Autumn" album since it was so poorly executed, but since that was the album upon which their initial inclusion here was based, it will have to remain in their discography. Their full official releases as of now include "Someday Was Today" (2011). "The Autumn EP" (2014) and "The Rush" (2017). He said he would love it if the band had an updated portal on progarchives, saying: "It's a fantastic site. And yes we've got a new bio and photos and everything at www.surrealband.com!" The two missing albums are: 'The Autumn EP' (2014) (https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/surreal14). 1. Breath Taken (8:19) 2. In Us (4:58) 3. Stars (5:32) 4. Hannah (5:47) 5. Falling from Reality (Acoustic) (4:25) 'The Rush' (2017) (https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/surreal18). 1. Day (1:36) 2. The Whirlwind (8:41) 3. Skyla (6:08) 4. Rescue Me (3:43) 5. Stay (5:26) 6. Endings Are Beginnings (Opening) (1:31) 7. Time to Waste (4:05) 8. Alaska (4:21) 9. The Unrealized (2:34) 10. Rivers in the Sky (6:14) 11. Endings Are Beginnings (Finale) (1:54) 12. Night (2:11) Band line up for these missing albums can be found in the latest electronic press kit (link above). I can try to add them myself, but have been having a lot of problem with this facility since the beginning of the year, with the introduction of Cloudflare protection on the site, so may not succeed.
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Quinino
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You're welcome, Ken - it's you who've done the major work.
(I specialized on detecting these and other flaws - awful occupation but perversely rewarding ) |
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kenethlevine
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I noticed the lack of photo and then promptly forgot... and I suppose a wikipedia home page is better than no page at all, although the link does state "official home page". So many bands don't have one, or have several, none of which are truly "official" Thanks!
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Quinino
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^ No photo nor webpage ?
Added both, please see if you agree... Edited by Quinino - December 23 2017 at 17:10 |
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kenethlevine
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Revised the Spriguns bio. Most of it was English cleanup and adding the timelines and a bit about Mandy Morton's solo career, as well as live links to related bands
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kenethlevine
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^ absolutely superb summation of GENESIS, Steve
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Quinino
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Laz rules ! ... some little part of the day, it seems (hahaha)
Thanks, mate, I''ll cater to it later this evening. EDIT: And done (with a few links) - terrific job Laz, I must say Edited by Quinino - December 21 2017 at 14:57 |
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lazland
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And a revised Genesis bio for upload, links & etc. The wife has been out all day, so Mr Laz has had time to play!!
Genesis Beloved Symphonic prog rock through to stadium filling rock titans
Any biography of Genesis must recognise that there are distinct periods in the band’s history, and that any discussion should recognise that musically and lyrically, the band which filled vast stadia throughout the 1990’s was a completely different creature to that which played sweaty student halls filled with spotty young men in the early 1970’s. The original incarnation of the band had its origins in two outfits formed by Peter Gabriel (vocals & flute), Tony Banks (keyboards), Michael Rutherford (bass & rhythm guitars), and Anthony Phillips (lead guitars) whilst boarding students at the elite English public school, Charterhouse in the mid-1960’s. Outside the confines of an extremely stuffy atmosphere, the world was becoming far more liberated, socially, sexually, politically, and musically, and these bands represented an outlet for young men who, basically, as young men do, wanted some of that. The two acts coalesced into one, and the students had the novel idea of placing a tape of their music into the hands of Jonathan King whilst he was visiting his alma mater. King was, at this time, a big selling artist and musical impresario, and, consequently, someone who mattered in the rock world. The tapes were basic, but King took a shine to Gabriel’s voice, and recognised a unique sound and talent which, if nurtured, could become huge. He arranged for the band, with drummer Chris Stewart, to record some sessions in London, where the boys experimented with quite complex, orchestral pastiches. Knowing that King was not happy, the band penned Silent Sun, a song which was essentially a Bee Gees tribute single. The brothers Gibb were huge commercially at this time, and King was known to be a huge fan. The resulting album in early 1969 was named “Genesis to Revelation” by King, as representing something brand new and exciting in the musical world. It barely scratched the surface of the commercial music world, and, for many a year after, copies could still be found in the bargain bin section of stores. Following this, there was, initially, some doubt as to whether the musical careers would survive leaving school. Parental pressures were particularly acute on Rutherford, whose parents had virtually guaranteed him a scholarship with the British Foreign Office. However, a decision was taken to further the music, and, with new drummer John Mayhew (not a schoolmate) in tow, the band began to gig extensively, picking up admirers in the burgeoning progressive rock scene which was bursting out in student halls across the UK. King had, by now, lost interest, but the band were lucky when, on a recommendation, Tony Stratton-Smith, a legendary Soho impresario and founder of Charisma Records, saw them live, fell in love with, particularly, a live version of what was to be later recorded as Visions of Angels, and signed them up virtually there and then. The key to this signing was the artistic freedom afforded by the label to the band to produce the music they wanted to produce, and, crucially, the time required to build a following, something which would be next to impossible in the modern world, with its record executives generally having the attention span of the average gnat. The first Charisma release was Trespass in late 1970, a collection of complex songs which belied the youth and relative inexperience of the band. As strange as it may seem, the band continued to play music from this album right up to the final live shows of 2007, with elements of Stagnation forming part of the classic instrumental medley regularly played at gigs. Most recognise that the highlight of the work was the furiously paced, radical, revolutionary rock track The Knife, which was the album, and live show, closer. It became a hit in Belgium in 1971, helping to propel the album to number one in the charts there. The extensive touring was, though, beginning to take a toll on Phillips, who began to suffer from acute stage fright, this becoming so bad that he made the decision to quit. His departure was a body blow to the band, because Phillips was far more in terms of song-writing and playing one fifth of the outfit. Phillips would subsequently become a music teacher, and launched his own (studio based) solo career in 1977, encompassing a range of musical styles. Despite the loss, the decision was taken to carry on and to replace Mayhew, who had serious musical limitations, at the same time. Steve Hackett on guitar was recruited on the back of an advert he had placed in the music newspaper Melody Maker, in which stated he wished to join “receptive musicians, determined to drive beyond existing stagnant music forms”. Phil Collins on drums attended auditions held at the rather grand Gabriel residence, and learned the songs being played to and by other auditionees whilst relaxing in an outside swimming pool. By the time his turn came, he was note perfect! As grave as the loss of Phillips must have been, Genesis had added two exceptional musicians. Collins came to be regarded as one of the finest rock drummers in the world, and he had the added advantage of being able to provide decent backing vocals to Gabriel. On the first album released by the line-up, Nursery Cryme in 1971, Collins sang (uncredited) lead vocals on the short For Absent Friends. The album did not sell particularly well in the UK, where the band were still very much a cult act, but did break big in Italy. Belgium also continued its commercial affair with the band, and, as a result, the band toured extensively on the continent, and made several television appearances, some of which can still be viewed in varying degrees of quality, on YouTube. The breakthrough, though, was with the release of Foxtrot in 1972, featuring at its heart a sprawling epic on the second side, Supper’s Ready, with its patchwork of differing ideas and tunes brought together to stunning effect and, literally, Biblical epoch. On the resulting tour, the stage costumes and theatrical persona of Gabriel began to take shape. He caused no end of controversy in Eire when he leapt onto the stage in a lady’s dress and fox head, a la the stunning album cover drawn by Paul Whitehead. An old man’s mask was worn to frightening effect in the closing stages of Nursery Cryme, telling the story of a love unrequited, and unfulfilled. The mask of the Magog in the Suppers Ready passage Apocalypse in 9/8 was distinctly creepy and dark, whilst the flower head in The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man was simply silly. A Genesis gig at this time was becoming an event, visual as well as oral, and it is fair to say that the oral side was becoming more and more accomplished. The follow-up, Selling England by the Pound, consolidated the progress made, and even spawned a hit single in I Know What I Like. Highly recommended for those wishing to get a flavour of the live act in this period is the initial Archive (1967-1975) boxset release of 1998, which has a 1973 set from The Rainbow theatre. The first two CD’s of this boxset have the entire live performance (barring the denouement, It, which was lost, and subsequently re-recorded by the band in the studio) of the subsequent album release, the sprawling Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, a double concept album released in 1974 about a Puerto Rican youth living in New York with dual personality issues. The Lamb was incredibly adventurous, and remains a firm progressive rock favourite to this day. However, it marked the end of the “classic” line-up of the band, and the strains had begun to show even before Gabriel announced to the press in a statement that he was leaving. Banks has subsequently gone on record to state he never really “got” the concept of the album, the costumes worn by Gabriel, in particular the Slipperman bubble suit, were thought by his bandmates to be becoming a real distraction to the music, and the recording of the album itself was marred by Gabriel’s first child almost dying after birth, and the not altogether sympathetic reaction of the remainder did not go down well. Upon the news becoming public, Melody Maker printed a front cover proclaiming “The death of Genesis”, but they, and the wider music community, had not reckoned with the sheer stubbornness of the remainder of the band. Auditions began for a new lead singer, including, amusingly, one Nick Lowe, who went on to become a darling of the post punk New Wave scene. Eventually, the band decided that they already had a replacement in house in the form of their drummer. A commercial rock behemoth was born. In the subsequent live period, Bill Bruford, formerly of Yes & King Crimson, guested on drums, but he refused a permanent live role, and was replaced by Chester Thompson of The Weather Report and Frank Zappa for all live work to significant effect, in tandem with Collins on instrumental passages. The four-piece band released, in what is known as the “middle period”, two albums, both of which still retain massive affection in the progressive rock world in terms of the symphonic excellence demonstrated on Trick of the Tail (said to be the late Princess Diana’s favourite album) and Wind & Wuthering. There was, though, a chilly wind blowing. Punk was born in this period, its spittle fuelled violence spewing against all things prog, and Hackett was becoming disenchanted with the direction the band were taking musically. The remaining three tried to provide additional song-writing credits to Hackett on Wind & Wuthering, but to no avail, and, in 1977, he left to pursue an eclectic solo career, taking with him songs he felt had been unfairly rejected by the band. A subsequent interview with the band (Genesis: Together & Apart) in 2014 showed that the tensions of this split still ran deep, certainly as far as Banks was concerned. The double album Seconds Out does, though, capture the incredible live experience of this time and line-up extremely well. For live duties, Hackett was replaced by Daryl Stuermer (who also played bass guitar on the later penned tracks to Rutherford’s lead guitar), who had recorded with Jean-Luc Ponty. The remaining three doggedly continued, and, thus, the later period of the band started. Each release, starting with And Then There Were Three in 1978, and culminating in We Can’t Dance in 1991, sold more than the previous work, and each tour saw the band playing to ever larger audiences and stadia. They became huge, began to specifically write, and have, hit singles, and there is still much controversy in the progressive rock community as to the direction taken, specifically with most of the vitriol being directed at one Mr Collins, who, after the release of his debut solo album, Face Value, which included tracks rejected by the band in the rehearsals for Duke, became probably the most unlikely superstar in music in the history of unlikely superstars. Numerous interviews with the band have demonstrated the unfairness of this vitriol. Both Rutherford & Banks have made it clear that all the material written for much of Duke, and all albums after Abacab, were group material, born of jamming ideas and gelling them together at their custom-made studio. Banks is on record as stating that, although his preference musically was for the longer pieces, it was certainly extremely pleasant, not to say lucrative, to have hit singles. All the albums of this period included recognisably progressive tracks, and some famous sprawling epics, and the live shows were careful to include such favourites for the older fans, who were now joined by persons of the female form not previously seen at a Genesis show. In truth, the band became what could be deemed a progressive pop/rock outfit, or “Crossover Prog” as it is termed on this site. Whether one loves, or hates, this (and opinion is certainly still split), nobody could deny not just the success it brought, but the fact that the musicianship was still never less than superb. Many fans were also introduced to the more symphonic past of the band because of the later works, thus serving as a good introduction to the history of progressive rock. It didn’t last. In 1996, Collins left to concentrate on his stellar career in music, television, and films. Nick Mason, of Pink Floyd, was, though, to later remark, on being asked how bands should break up, “Genesis. I wish we could have broken up like Genesis”, i.e. on the best of terms. Banks & Rutherford, the latter despite a successful act, Mike & The Mechanics, decided to carry on, and recruited as lead singer Ray Wilson, who had had a small measure of success with Stiltskin. The resulting album, Calling All Stations, released in 1997, did not exactly bomb, but it was, perhaps unfairly, not a critical success, and certainly did not sell anywhere near as well as its predecessor albums. Live, they were now playing venues the size of Manchester Indoor Arena, whereas with Collins, it was venues the size of Wembley Stadium. Banks & Rutherford, who had signed Wilson on a two-year deal, called it a day. In 2007, Collins, Rutherford, and Banks, with Thompson and Stuermer back on board live, embarked on a hugely successful reunion tour, without any album to promote. It proved, beyond all doubt, that there was only one line-up the wider public would flock to see. That, compilation albums and anthology interviews aside, was the last Genesis activity as this bio is written. Rumours continue to persist, however, of plans for one last reunion tour, although whether Gabriel, at the age of 67 would want to prance around the stage playing a 20-odd year-old Puerto Rican punk is another matter. Genesis, all iterations of Genesis, are simply essential progressive rock. It is a fair summary to state that no student of the genre could possibly ignore the history and music of this seminal act. Steve Lazenby (Lazland) 2017 |
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Sure, I don’t mean adding my opinion. I just think she’s been relevant in the huge number of people who has been in the lineup. She and Heather were a duo before meeting Josh
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^ I was also surprised when I couldn't find it (to make a clickable link where you mentioned them) but another band with the same name ... tbh I confess my ignorance of their work
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Thanks Jose. All good, but we do have a missing link on the site re Odin's Dragonfly, who do not appear to be here? I will make a new additions suggestion this week, because this is a surprising omission from the archives. |
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Talking about subjective, and also bios in desperate need of more detail, I think I will try to get something together vis a vis Genesis by the end of the week.
My own feeling is that each and every bio is important. However, and it is a big however, whether we like it, or not, casual visitors to the site do tend to go to the big acts first. This is not a surprise, and is not in any way wrong. I think that the major acts, therefore, need to have the best bios and detail, if nothing else to "drag" potential members and prog fans further into the genre and site depths. What I mean by subjective in terms of Genesis is made clear in our existing bio in the dismissive "pop" comments re Collins. Of course, this era still attracts a huge amount of controversy in prog circles, and the site, but there are, I believe, better ways of putting this in a biography. Biographies should not, as a rule, be subjective. They should be objective, presenting facts, not personal opinions that are open to debate, or ridicule. It is not an easy trick to achieve, but I will give it a go. |
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MA bio added, thanks again Steve - please take a peek and let me know any possible link you'd like to see also included
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Hi Luca, thanks for the feedback. To explain, I am trying my best not to put in any subjective opinions about people or bands in these bios, as much as I can. The opinion re Angela leaving is very subjective, and not correct, in my opinion. Besides which, she is actually a current member of the band, having appeared on the latest album, and touring with them. The further complication, as I alluded to in the bio, is that a discussion of each and every person leaving MA would take up a whole couple of pages in itself. |
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