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ExittheLemming
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Posted: February 11 2012 at 08:18 | ||
^ I agree and don't get me wrong, I'm not pretending that the ethnic mix in Glasgow is involved in a group hug every morning (We do have our racial tensions just like like any other metropolis)
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The T
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Posted: February 11 2012 at 08:16 | ||
That a city be a cosmopolitan mixture of races doesn't necessarily mean it will be devoid of racism. Sometimes the opposite happens. Post WW1 Vienna is a good example, if a little old.
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ExittheLemming
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11415 |
Posted: February 11 2012 at 07:17 | ||
Ok, I take your point that the term is now inextricably linked with it's negative connotations BUT:
From Wicki (I'm not suggesting this source as proof but just another perspective) A ghetto is a section of a city predominantly occupied by a group who live there, especially because of social, economic, or legal issues. The term was originally used in Venice to describe the area where Jews were compelled to live. The term may refer to an overcrowded urban area often associated with specific ethnic or racial populations living below the poverty line. From a statistical perspective, ghettos are typically high crime areas relative to other parts of the city. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 11 2012 at 07:13 | ||
ghetto |ˈgetō|
noun ( pl. -tos or -toes) a part of a city, esp. a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups. • historical the Jewish quarter in a city : the Warsaw Ghetto. • an isolated or segregated group or area : the relative security of the gay ghetto. The name need not apply to a crime infested or poor area. Historically, it did not do so. It came to be associated with undesirable areas because of WASP xenophobia during periods of massive immigration. Edited by Equality 7-2521 - February 11 2012 at 07:13 |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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ExittheLemming
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11415 |
Posted: February 11 2012 at 07:10 | ||
We have large concentrations of Italians, Indians and Pakistanis in Glasgow yet those areas could never be described as ghettos. (they are predominantly middle class low crime rate sections of the city) Have I misunderstood your usage of the term ghettos?
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 11 2012 at 07:01 | ||
Not really. You see huge concentrations of ethnicity in cities, aka ghettos. You get these situations where people aren't integrated since they stick to neighborhoods of their own race. However, the proximity forces interaction and resentment between the two groups. In an all X race city where you never see Y race, you have much less to complain about. When race X sees race Y coming into their neighborhood to do some undesirable activity, you see a flare of racism from both X and Y. In any case though, it doesn't matter. Absent any evidence to suggest otherwise you assume a uniform distribution. That's just what you do. It would be the proper move. It's not leaving out the likelihood of anything; it's simply using the information available in the most logical way. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 11 2012 at 06:57 | ||
lol wot? I'm sorry but I don't see how anybody with even the most tenuous grasp of the english language could draw that inference. |
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: February 11 2012 at 05:39 | ||
You're leaving out the likelihood that racists don't concentrate in NYC because it has too many people of color. Once again historical amnesia is a wonderful thing. As people of color concentrated in the cities there was white flight to suburbs and beyond.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 11 2012 at 03:12 | ||
Of course it isn't, don't be daft.
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manofmystery
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: February 11 2012 at 00:59 | ||
Are you f**king kidding me? I never even called him a racist and, also, I just said that statistically speaking there are likely more racists in NYC based on the numbers (the population there is twice that of all of western PA, derp). So you are willing to go so far as completely misrepresenting something written in plain english in order to smear someone? His friend was painting everyone from western PA as racist and white trash, I got defensive (only place I'd say I was at fault), called his friend a douche, and pointed out that the numbers would support there being more racists in NYC based on population. So, it's now racist to defend oneself from being called a racist .
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Time always wins. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 10 2012 at 23:59 | ||
Or maybe you're just not understanding my point? Yes, I think it would be that. I've been civil up to now. I guess everyone else wants to stir the slurry and defend MoM's slurs at someone he's never actually met (Brian's friend). Meh, I'm done. You're all ganging up on me anyway. Edited by James - February 11 2012 at 00:01 |
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The T
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Posted: February 10 2012 at 23:46 | ||
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: February 10 2012 at 22:33 | ||
I always thought it was like...the pot is black and the kettle is black, so one calling the other be hypocritical or something. Never thought there was racist subtext to it.
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Epignosis
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Posted: February 10 2012 at 22:22 | ||
Either this is what is wrong with the world (blaming people for what they didn't say) or the author of this longer post is inept with pronouns. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 10 2012 at 21:26 | ||
Right there. He's saying Brian's friend is calling people from Pennsylvania racist white trash. To me, that means MoM is basically saying that he thinks Brian's friend is a racist because he thinks he's calling them racist. Maybe not directly but the slur is there. Besides, he still called the guy a douchebag. Not a terrible insult but still one nevertheless. Edited by James - February 10 2012 at 21:27 |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 10 2012 at 21:13 | ||
Can you show me where because it appears to me that he never did such a thing.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 10 2012 at 20:52 | ||
Yes by calling him a racist.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 10 2012 at 19:59 | ||
I think the burden would be on you to show he's being unreasonable. Just seemed to me that he responded to Brian's friend's negative opinion of Western PA.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 10 2012 at 19:36 | ||
How on earth is that reasonable?
Hmm. Oh well. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 10 2012 at 19:16 | ||
Reading the posts, MoM seems to be acting pretty reasonably, especially by MoM standards. Bring up the Patriots if you want to see him actually act boorish.
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