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    Posted: July 10 2011 at 22:08
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

The best male singer on the planet is Céline Dion. You can't beat his version of that great AC DC song with Anastasia You Shook Me All Night Long. Can these two guys sing or what!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2011 at 21:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2011 at 21:02
Kelly Schaefer of Atheist is up there




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2011 at 08:57

1)      Peter  Gabriel

2)      Peter  Hammill

3)      Freddie  Mercury

4)      Russell  Allen

5)      Jim  Morrison

6)      John Wetton

7)      Francesco Di Giacomo

8)      Mike Patton



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2011 at 15:22
The best male singer on the planet is Céline Dion. You can't beat his version of that great AC DC song with Anastasia You Shook Me All Night Long. Can these two guys sing or what!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2011 at 14:25
Steve Walsh, Greg Lake and Petr Gabriel and Peter Hammil. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2011 at 09:36
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 21:51
Since we are in Italy, Mauro Ghilardini of Minstrel. WOW!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:38
Demetrio Stratos definitely deserves to be mentioned here, and another from the Italian scene (this time modern) is Claudio Milano. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:25
Originally posted by kole kole wrote:

Peter Hammill. Over 60, and he is still as fresh as ever. I cried when I heard him in Vicenza last friday.
 
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It's nice to see this ... outstanding!
 
Now, you're making me go out and get that new album!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 04:36
Peter Hammill. Over 60, and he is still as fresh as ever. I cried when I heard him in Vicenza last friday.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 00:04
Daniel Gildenlow is the vocalist of vocalists if you ask me.  The emotion and variety he sings with is incredible.  Plus he has a monstrous range.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 23:02
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by StrengthandWisdom StrengthandWisdom wrote:

Its not that i'm afraid that vocalists were exploring new territory. Its that singing went from needing to create resonance from your body to just getting up to a mic and shouting.
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Fair enough ... you could say that for almost 3/4's of all rock band singers ... it became about the fame and whatever else, and in some cases it works, because the band helps it sound better.
 
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The voice is an instrument, and just because someone can talk and shout does not mean that ANYONE can sing, it certainly doesn't mean everyone should be considered a singer. The voice is an instrument that you learn with practice, just like any other instrument. Learning to sing requires an attunement and connection to your mind and body.
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Carefull here when you say this ... because you are saying that just because the voice is an instrument, it is now "limited" and can not do different things ... like screaming, or other sound effects .... which instruments can do, if people want to have fun with them and try different things ... or you can spend 30 minutes watching "Fellini's Orchestra Rehearsal" ... which is more fun, anyway! ...
 
When you say learning to sing, all you are saying is ... using the 12 notes, and adjust to the chords and notes that he/she is supposed to sing ... and "sounds" can not be used .. has to be words, let's say ... and all of a sudden, this limitation hurts.
 
The other part is ... that we place these invisible limitations on these things. Go listen to many Eastern singers and what they do with their voices and how they meld it to the music (only word for it! ... we sing too much and don't meld or grok very well either!) ... and this is not something that we teach in western cultures ... and the ability to be better and more expressive, is sometimes more difficult.
 
There is a place in time, for everything ... and I don't know ... listen to Jim Morrison do some of his screams, and they are in tune and strong ... but again, we decided that we don't like that attitude, but we like other attitudes ... and then it becomes a serious discussion as to what is and isn't.
 
And then ... guess what rock music has been about for the past 50 years ... I don't have to tell you ... it has been about breaking the process and the definitions ... so different things in front of the microphone will be considered ... wether you or I like it or not ... and I think in the end, this is a very good thing ... we need more emotion in music, so we stop the very "classical" stupidity that states these kinds of passages in music mean this and that and this and that ... and rock music kinda told that off at first (progressive music) and then started using lyrics to help you make believe that A Star is Born is still true!
 
You must see the insanity in it all ... and how singing has been busted up ... and a new standard will be set in 50 years ... but to think that Peter Hammill is not a singer because he screams, or Roy Harper ... is really sad, because some of these people are at the forefront of that school of theater, film and the arts that were magnificent in their use of the "voice" in defining and coming across with their work ... which no one is denying its power, strength and beauty all wrapped up into one idea!
 
Times change ... but "western" singers are severely limited in their abilities and I like the idea and freedom that screaming or anything else ... can be done right and has a place in music ... opera and the "conventional" music simply was never able to find a place for true emotion ... it was always an "idea of that emotion" .... and most rock music, for me anyways ... was about telling those conventions and ideas to go to hell ... including singing ... so Roger Chapman is awesome for me, Peter is great, Roy is fabulous, Renate is insane and out of this world, Mani is the ultimate sound effect, no lyrics guru ... and even the early Greg Lake ... was pure poetry in motion and the music colored the words! ... instead of some lame lyrics telling me what I am supposed to be thinking! ... see the difference between the voice being an instrument and just another singer?
 
As an instrument yeah ... scream.
 
As a singer ... nahh ... go back tot he choir you came from ... ciao baby!


Voice should not be the easiest instrument to play, guitar players in rock band cant just get up on stage without knowing the least bit about guitar method. So why is it okay for singers to get up on stage without knowing the least bit about vocal method? Thats my point, its completely burning the classical singing in its name. Should we just get rid of all classical music? Get rid of all classical/jazz gutiar methods and pick up guitar again from scratch and invent new scales and fingering, and form scales out of notes that don't sound pleasant together?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 21:15
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:



Agreed on both counts. Freddie was a great singer but somewhat overrated.


He is not overrated in the slightest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 20:46
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:


Agreed on both counts. Freddie was a great singer but somewhat overrated.
 
I just think that his band and his work deserve better attention ... they are not 15 minute cuts per se, but the variation and talent and the ability to make sure the music could color Freddie's emotions ... is something that most any band anywhere in the world would die to have ... and the last thing he recorded is enough to make anyone cry ... which is a wonderful anthrm for pretty much everything that the band and him, gave us ... !
 
But because there was a lot of hits, and we don't think that the stadium song is progressive because the masses are in it (Wink) ... fits ... and it doesn't the mandatory keyboards to tell us to fly and dream ... in many ways, if you break down the restrictions, all of a sudden you have a band that is much more progressive than a good 75% of the bands listed in our top list ... a lot of which is not even original and just a copy of the same thing done before ... you can't really say that about Queen.


It is unfair to conclude from a one line post that I call him overrated just because he sang for a band that EVENTUALLY became stadium rock (and used to be one of the most interesting hard rock bands around before the transformation) and not prog (and being that my favourites include Jeff Buckley and Stevie Wonder, I of all people don't attach so much importance to a band's being prog or not). So I refuse to even offer what reasons I may have had for saying so because this is pretty annoying. Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 15:19
Upon reflection, I'd agree with a fellow vocalist of mine....Ian Gillian of Deep Purple had one of the most amazing voices back in the early 1970's, both on Purple LPs and "Jesus Christ Superstar."  

Another belter was the late, great Ronnie James Dio!!  Again, tangential to prog, but so is Freddie Mercury I suppose.  

All three had rather remarkable range, vibrato, tone and control.  I haven't seen Gillian in many years & don't know how well he's holding up.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 15:06
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:


Agreed on both counts. Freddie was a great singer but somewhat overrated.
 
I just think that his band and his work deserve better attention ... they are not 15 minute cuts per se, but the variation and talent and the ability to make sure the music could color Freddie's emotions ... is something that most any band anywhere in the world would die to have ... and the last thing he recorded is enough to make anyone cry ... which is a wonderful anthrm for pretty much everything that the band and him, gave us ... !
 
But because there was a lot of hits, and we don't think that the stadium song is progressive because the masses are in it (Wink) ... fits ... and it doesn't the mandatory keyboards to tell us to fly and dream ... in many ways, if you break down the restrictions, all of a sudden you have a band that is much more progressive than a good 75% of the bands listed in our top list ... a lot of which is not even original and just a copy of the same thing done before ... you can't really say that about Queen.
 
I hadn't really thought about it that way but seems fair.
 
Queen were the first band I really liked. Freddie strutting across stage like he owned the world.His massive personality perhaps overtook everything else and made you forget what a brilliant vocalist he always was.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 14:12
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:


Agreed on both counts. Freddie was a great singer but somewhat overrated.
 
I just think that his band and his work deserve better attention ... they are not 15 minute cuts per se, but the variation and talent and the ability to make sure the music could color Freddie's emotions ... is something that most any band anywhere in the world would die to have ... and the last thing he recorded is enough to make anyone cry ... which is a wonderful anthrm for pretty much everything that the band and him, gave us ... !
 
But because there was a lot of hits, and we don't think that the stadium song is progressive because the masses are in it (Wink) ... fits ... and it doesn't the mandatory keyboards to tell us to fly and dream ... in many ways, if you break down the restrictions, all of a sudden you have a band that is much more progressive than a good 75% of the bands listed in our top list ... a lot of which is not even original and just a copy of the same thing done before ... you can't really say that about Queen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 01:34
Not sure if Demis Rousos has been mentioned but his performance on Aphrodites Child 'The Four Horsemen' is worth noting.
 
I mentioned Bruce Dickinson in my earlier post as one of the best 'technicially'. Then followed a prolonged discussion after being challenged by Snow Dog and well argued from my side by Roger That (thanks!). I would just clarify that I regard him as one of the best because to my ears he is pitch perfect. Heavy metal/Heavy rock singers usually grate on me big time but Bruce 'Air Raid Siren' Dickinson even though he supposedly shouts is still spot on.
btw Greg Lake tried the shouting thing on the Emerson,Lake and Powell album.That was horrible!


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