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Tom Ozric
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Topic: Syd Barrett guitar style Posted: May 23 2014 at 00:08 |
When an album doesn't have a 'flow' to it, I put it down as 'eclectic', not schizophrenic (even though Barrett apparently was). There are plenty of gems on Madcap, but it does show off Barrett's fragmented state of mind more obviously than the Barrett album. Track 2, with Soft Machine backing, even though a pretty good track, the chord and key changes and phrasing of them makes me laugh coz they're really odd and difficult to follow. Would've been really hard to record. |
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 22 2014 at 22:33 |
I'm actually more interested in Syd as an experimenter than a songwriter, more as a songwriter than a guitarist. As far as his guitar works, to be frank I actually like his earlier, '65-'66 stuff more than his '67-'70 stuff.
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: May 22 2014 at 09:43 |
I have Barrett and I guess he means that it doesn't flow as well as Madcap. In fact, I made an alternate version of the album and it runs like this:
Side 1: Baby Lemonade Gigolo Aunt Waving My Arms In The Air/I Never Lied To You Wolfpack Rats Maisie Side 2: Dominoes Love Song Effervescing Elephant Wined And Dined (Opel version) It Is Obvious (Take 5) Milky Way Bob Dylan Blues Edited by KingCrInuYasha - May 22 2014 at 09:48 |
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: May 16 2014 at 02:44 |
^ Wow........
.........I don't get it..... |
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charles_ryder
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Posted: May 16 2014 at 02:30 |
Vice versa: Madcap is a great album (first 30 mins), and Barret is a schizophrenic record. Imo.
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om mani padme hum
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: May 16 2014 at 00:36 |
From the general consensus revolved around dear Syd, I think he was great, but a bit overrated. Sure he was experimental, adventurous, and generally produced top results, but I do feel that his acid intake hindered him (der) - therefore killing his potential to be a true hero. I do think that Madcap displayed a very disjointed Syd, but the album 'Barrett' is superb. Even that intro to Baby Lemonade is excellent.
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dr wu23
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Posted: May 15 2014 at 20:11 |
I always liked Barrett's work with Floyd and his solo material but I never really thought much of his guitar work and focused on his songwriting.
I need to re-listen and pay attention to the guitar work to see what I missed.
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charles_ryder
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Posted: May 15 2014 at 11:14 |
Syd is my favorite guitarist. I prefer him to Page and Hendrix. Syd had a wonderful and inimitable style. He is my god.
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om mani padme hum
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Diego I
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Posted: April 05 2011 at 12:20 |
Great Q? I´m agree with some of your afirmations: unorthodox style of rhythmically loose playing, use of volume swells, feedback, slide and echo... But i have to say that, Syd isn´t a great guitar player, original... maybe, technical... i dont think, visceral... totally!
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 20:26 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 03:08 |
Thanks for that Dean. I think FF confirms to a certain extent what I said previously, that PF's most revolutionary stuff is a certain songwriting based on Syd's peculiar guitar playing.
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clarke2001
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 22:22 |
I love Syd.
This is THE Pink Floyd. |
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Finnforest
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 22:01 |
Thanks Dean, I really enjoyed that article. Love his playing.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 20:59 |
Hi,
Pink Floyd was named after two BLUES players. Are you going to tell me now that jazz is blues? (not in so few words, of course!) |
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moshkito
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 20:48 |
HOGWASH ...
ooooooppppppsssss ... wait ... !!!! WAIT !!!
Pink Floyd were named after 2 jazz guys after all ... there might be a connection here!
Though I would think that the jazz connection is more esoteric than it is real ... PF came much more from the pop side of music than they did from the jazz side of music, so Syd Barrett making sounds and noises, was a really good idea to help build rock music around ... which the pop "songs" were NOT.
I think the idea above is really important ... and gives a nice pupose to the music and ideas around the music, which Pink Floyd, later augmented with Sound Effects that created stories ... that eventually yielded to a really big story later that got aneven bigger story later on!
When you see David doing some similar things on the "Live in Pompeii" album, you can easily see the connection to the early start and music making away from the "pop" song ... and David continued that idea really well ... until a few years later it all became just different pop songs!
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himtroy
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 14:51 |
^Thanks for posting that and even more so for putting the time in to transcribe it. I certainly would've attempted to read it from the image and had a rough time doing so. Very interesting stuff. We in fact need many more articles written by great people about great people. This and Zappa's article on Varese are the most interesting things I've read recently.
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Dean
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 14:40 |
Back in the early 70s there was a fanzine published by the Syd Barrett Appreciation Society called "Terrapin". In issue 15 of Terrapin (1975) they published a facsimilie of an NME article by Fred Frith of Henry Cow on Syd Barrett. Here it is: Unfortunatelty that;s a little difficult to read, so I've transcribed it as best I can:
Interesting stuff- and even though it was written over 36 years ago, many of Frith's comments still ring true today.
Note: the complete Terrapin anthology can be purchased here: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/terrapin/479108 Edited by Dean - March 31 2011 at 14:44 |
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himtroy
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 12:39 |
Syd Barrett...A genius who I spent a long time being obsessed with when I got into playing guitar years ago.
Edited by himtroy - March 31 2011 at 12:40 |
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 01:48 |
I hear a lot of free Jazz in his guitar playing; particularly in "Take Up Thy Stethoscope And Walk", "Interstellar Overdrive" the instrumental version of "Vegetable Man" and "Reaction In G".
Speaking of "Vegetable Man", I saw Toddler mention the song; the verse portion of the first part of the song reminds me of the bridge of Blue Cheer's cover of "Summertime Blues". |
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Proletariat
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Posted: January 29 2011 at 15:45 |
I like this viewpoint, verry interesting (although I enjoy the acoustic and esoteric later works as well)
Toddler your post is awsome too
Early Pink Floyd (to me) has more to do with the canterburry scene and kraut than space rock proper or any of the later floyd works... If PF ended with Pipers they would be included as one of the many great one off Canterberry bands... Syds guitar style, personally seems like the counterpart to Wyatts drumming they have a similar appeal (and they knew each other and played in the same scene) so its easy to see the comparison. Syd was not so much prog as an independant force... like The Velvet Underground his music was not easily classifiable at the time and has had more effect on modern music than connections with music of his own time.
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