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topofsm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 17 2008 Location: Arizona, USA Status: Offline Points: 1698 |
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Me know better than somebody else here? I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you aren't, thanks.
And yes, I do not consider SOAD nu-metal in the least. The people who label them such are the ones who have only heard "Chop Suey!" and/or maybe a couple of their quirkier songs. I enjoy them very much too, they are a pretty unique band.
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Philéas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
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I also tended to make this distinction, but I got confused if there really was a difference. You seem to know better than me, so I'll trust you and resume labelling SoaD Alt metal instead of Nu metal. ![]() |
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topofsm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 17 2008 Location: Arizona, USA Status: Offline Points: 1698 |
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I have noticed that metalcore usually feels a lot like heavier alternative rock and screamo, which generally I don't like too much. It could be that I've been hearing the wrong stuff, but as awesome as some of that stuff is at the first listen, I lose interest in it on subsequent listens. Killswitch made me interested in them for a while, but the same thing happened when I listened to their newest album. Great musicians, and I like the fact that they don't solo in that album, but I find their melodic moments a bit cheesy, I don't particurlarly like the screams, and the lyrics (that I listen to a lot in KsE) are terribly generic. They were cool when I saw them though.![]() |
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~Rael~ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 11 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 247 |
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Yeah, the sound is a bit overused, but I agree about Killswitch, I can't see them bowing down to a label's instructions, especially since they have been around for a while and have established fans. The sound that is so similar in metalcore is also why I listen to just a couple of those bands.
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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lol, I wasn't bothered by what you said, I just didn;'t see how those other comments were all that relevant to the topic at hand is all. No biggy.
![]() Well then spookytooth is someone I can't figure out. See, MetalCore usually involves good musicianship, at least. Problem is most metalcore bands sound alot alike to me, personally, Killswitch is the acception, though. I think again they are an example of a band who just plays what they want yet happens to be crowded in with all the similar bands of their era. They stanhd out amoung the others, but the general public sees them as one and the same.
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~Rael~ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 11 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 247 |
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See, he said it. Like I said, I don't really get how someone could think that. And, I wasn't trying to belittle what you said about Axl being a good singer, I just never thought of him that way. Maybe I need to listen better/differently next time I hear one of their songs. And, sorry about Disturbed, but I have to stand by my comments, lol. |
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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um, o....k, not sure where my take on Axl's singing deserved to be belittled, but anyways, on to your other points . . .
You don't like Disturbed. Cool. Moving on . . .
Well, well, something we finally agree on. Killswitch is very good in my opinion, though a bit repetetive, but then again I've come to expect that from most popular music these days. I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but I have never heard people say that MetalCore is worse than Nu-Metgal. They just feel that metalcore is worse than traditional metal. It's all opinion. |
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~Rael~ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 11 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 247 |
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First, Axl Rose is a good singer? I never thought of him that way, lol. I like Welcome to the Jungle, but the rest of their stuff is crap, imo.
And, I wouldn't group Disturbed into nu-metal either, but I really can't stand them. I enjoyed thier first album for a while, but ever since everything I hear from them sounds exactly the same. And while he is a good singer, I can't stand his arrogant stage persona. Reminds me of the way 80s hair metal bands acted. And, if Killswitch is metalcore, I guess I am a fan, because I really like them, and any band that combines metal screaming with melodic singing. How can this genre be seen as worse than nu-metal? I guess if you are against change in music in any way, I can understand. |
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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To be specific, 1990s/2000s metal meets 1990s/2000s hardcore punk. 1980s metal meets 1980s hardcore punk resulted in thrash. ![]() |
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Bands like Atreyu, Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, etc.
Basically hardcore metal music meets hardcore punk music. Think Lamb of God, but with melodic vocals and more punk-ish breakdowns taking prominent roles.
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Either you simply forgot to mention Disturbed, or you intentionally left them out/. If it's the latter, then I'm assuming that means you don't consider them Nu-Metal.
If that is the case, I am with you on that one. If not, well, then I'll explain why I never found Disturbed to be a Nu-Metal band:
David Draiman is one of the best singers alive today. He has great range and an all-around beautiful voice. Pretty decent songwriter too, though he has a habit of using the two word combo of "To me" way too many times in his lyrics. Dan Donegan. Virtuoso as far as I am concerned. He never really showed off his playing style on the first two records, but the most recent two albums are full of interesting and technically impressive guitar work. And I know I will be crucified for this, but I would take Donegan's "Overburdened" solo over anything Petrucci did post-SfaM any day. Their Drummer Mike Wendgren is phenominal. Not as technically adept as one might think a mdetal drummer should be, but he's solid, and very creative from what I can hear. They've rotated bass players over thbe course of their career, so I can't really judge this new guy yet. Besides, listening to their music reminds me much more of Maiden or Priest than Limp Bizkit. Know what I mean? These guys are clearly influenced by the classic rock/metal guys, and the music is very rich and alive because of it. That's my opinion, anyway. As for Slipknot. As I say, I've never understood the connection between their fast speed-playing and the downtuned, groove-driven power chord beats of Nu-Metal. Same thing with Killswitch Engage. Bands like these get alot of hell from many music fans, and I wonder: is all of it really deserved? Why, just because these bands were grouped in with crap like Limp Bizkit and the like?
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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Well, when a guy takes two decades to get an album made, I doubt he would be willing to go back and update the music, 'cause then it would have taken another twenty years, and the music would sound dated yet again. :-P
I haven heard Chinese Democracy yet personally, and personally, the guy's a douchebag, I don't care how well he sings. I'm in no hurry to support him at all with my money. If I ever do get around to hearing the thing, I will probably dig a few songs, then never listen to the bulk of the material again. This has become my usual routine these days with typical straightforward music.
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~Rael~ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 11 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 247 |
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I have heard people refer to "metalcore" many time, but what exactly is metalcore? Because I really have no idea.
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topofsm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 17 2008 Location: Arizona, USA Status: Offline Points: 1698 |
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SOAD never sounded like nu-metal. Alternative metal, to tell the truth. I've always found their music the absolute cream of the mainstream hard rock crop, and they are great musicians.
IMO Edited by topofsm - December 27 2008 at 22:30 |
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I'm so glad Nu-Metal is over. I even hated it when I was little, and I still hate it. The late 90's (the height of nu-metal's popularity) was, as I remember, a dark age for music, with Nu-Metal being the king (or prince, maybe post-grunge was king) of that dark age.
To celebrate this glorious occasion, I shall take out my Roy Orbison's All Time Greatest Hits compilation and play the song "It's Over" and celebrate until I realize that metalcore is now the popular metal genre, and in some ways it's worse than Nu-Metal. Oh well, maybe in a few years, I'll celebrate metalcore's demise in the same manner ![]() OK, I'll admit that I like Korn's first album, but that's really it... |
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I think that pretty much sums up everything that has happened in the music industry since the NWOBHM/NWOBAHM era - including grunge. The money machines making up new fashionable styles and genres to promote, and abusing well-intending musicians as a tool to do it. One of the reasons I never really took into account nu-metal as something I would be interested in, although the bag pipes (Korn) were fun at Dynamo Open Air some years ago.... |
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I love SOAD. They are (were?) the most interesting modern commercial band to come out in the last 10 years IMO. all their albums are fabulous. btw i think it's time for a new genre to come out. Post-Music |
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a lot of that Funk Metal/Thrash was a big influence on Nu-Metal sort of a precursor to the genre, anyone remember bands like Mordred, Infectious Grooves, Scatterbrain, Mindfunk, 24-7 Spies, Prong to a certain extent, also a lot of that breakdown/groovy Hardcore stuff like Madball, Sick of it All, Cromags, Undertow, Inside Out (features Zack de la Rocha pre-Rage Against The Machine)
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![]() Well Reggueton is pretty much were I come from I suppose and that stuff is everywhere I tell ya. Everyone listens to this stuff. It's on tv, radio, adds, everywhere possible. Even politicians use this kind of "music". Ohh well I guess I got deal with it. ![]() As for Nu Metal...well I kind of like some of it. But some of them are terrible. Edited by burritounit - December 27 2008 at 10:56 |
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