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Easy Livin 
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 04:19 |
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An informed discussion about the practicalities to start with, but I'm afraid it has been hijacked.
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 03:03 |
 The Lost Chord wrote:
cuncuna wrote:
Don't use drugs, ride a bike, excercise and have incredible, beautiful sex. And don't forget to take vitamins (eat fruit) and brush your teeth. Stay happy, healthy and in love forever.  |
I agree with all of that, but saying "dont use drugs" is just wrong, man! Let people do what they want, and they will live, love and be peaceful if they want...I know alot of great people that engage in spiritual activity involving mind altering substances as minute as Marijuana and as intense as LSD. It is all in good love if use entheogenically!
Dont use drugs recreationally like an idiot, ofcourse...but hey, if anyoen wants to live and enjoy life a think a pint of beer is a good thing to add to the equation sometimes  |
The difference between "Use" and "AbUse" - but not forgetting the informed and supported choice of "NOT Use"... 
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 23:04 |
bhikkhu wrote:
I agree with the statement about Tobacco and Alcohol. Tobacco is highly addictive, but at least it doesn't severely impair your thinking processes. Alcohol is very destructive, yet it is viewed differently. I even think people take mood elevators too readily. Don't bother finding out what the problem really is, just take a pill.
All in all, it's dangerous to view some drugs as better than others. Most recovering addicts would agree that it doesn't really matter. That's why it is referred to as a drug of choice. There are always back ups. After a while, you just want to be high, that's it. You get addicted to a specific one, because that's the buzz you like the most. Mine was booze. I know if I had liked something else more, that would have been it. |
Very well said.
And to Rooster: I know what you mean. One person started at a Pink Floyd poster for TWO hours. He later told me he had a conversation with it. Another person was just layong on the ground crying, and later said "oh nah dude, it was awesome" I just couldn't believe what it did to them.
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 23:00 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
cuncuna wrote:
Don't use drugs, ride a bike, excercise and have incredible, beautiful sex. And don't forget to take vitamins (eat fruit) and brush your teeth. Stay happy, healthy and in love forever. |
I agree with all of that, but saying "dont use drugs" is just wrong, man! Let people do what they want, and they will live, love and be peaceful if they want...I know alot of great people that engage in spiritual activity involving mind altering substances as minute as Marijuana and as intense as LSD. It is all in good love if use entheogenically!
Dont use drugs recreationally like an idiot, ofcourse...but hey, if anyoen wants to live and enjoy life a think a pint of beer is a good thing to add to the equation sometimes |
sorry man, but that kind of lifestyle will lead you to a quick and shallow grave... allowing people to live like that (ok so I'm fine with the weed/grass/tea/tumble/etc) is like encouraging a very slow suicide... of course we're all dying constantly anyways and so we may as well enjoy it... I just hate relativism its such a bast*rdization of subjective truth.
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:56 |
cuncuna wrote:
Don't use drugs, ride a bike, excercise and have incredible, beautiful sex. And don't forget to take vitamins (eat fruit) and brush your teeth. Stay happy, healthy and in love forever. |
I agree with all of that, but saying "dont use drugs" is just wrong, man! Let people do what they want, and they will live, love and be peaceful if they want...I know alot of great people that engage in spiritual activity involving mind altering substances as minute as Marijuana and as intense as LSD. It is all in good love if use entheogenically!
Dont use drugs recreationally like an idiot, ofcourse...but hey, if anyoen wants to live and enjoy life a think a pint of beer is a good thing to add to the equation sometimes
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:53 |
JJLehto wrote:
I was with some people who did shrooms, I never knew it was that powerful...
And for like, the next 4 days they had "moments" where they felt it alittle bit. Frankly, it scared me a lil bit. |
ahhh yes, a quick story about shrooms. A friend of my brother did some serious shrooms at work one day (night shift with no supervision) and when he drove home that night, he thought he hit a gnome (like the magical littler Grimble Gromble creature not the garden decoration) with his car, so he got out to see if it was ok, but he didn't see it, so he got back in the car and when he looked in the rearview mirror, he saw several hundred demonic looking gnomes chasing his car and he soiled himself. While that's kind of funny, kind of scary, it's very serious, that "gnome" could have been an animal or a person... it might have been, he never found out, but he did have a dent in his car.
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I am but a servant of the mighty Fripp, the sound of whose loins shall forever be upon the tongues of his followers.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:48 |
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I agree with the statement about Tobacco and Alcohol. Tobacco is highly addictive, but at least it doesn't severely impair your thinking processes. Alcohol is very destructive, yet it is viewed differently. I even think people take mood elevators too readily. Don't bother finding out what the problem really is, just take a pill.
All in all, it's dangerous to view some drugs as better than others. Most recovering addicts would agree that it doesn't really matter. That's why it is referred to as a drug of choice. There are always back ups. After a while, you just want to be high, that's it. You get addicted to a specific one, because that's the buzz you like the most. Mine was booze. I know if I had liked something else more, that would have been it.
Edited by bhikkhu - May 14 2007 at 22:49
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:44 |
I was with some people who did shrooms, I never knew it was that powerful...
And for like, the next 4 days they had "moments" where they felt it alittle bit. Frankly, it scared me a lil bit.
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:36 |
JJLehto wrote:
The Lost Chord wrote:
Its a shame most people dont understand that LSD does not belong on the list of S1 drugs either...it is/and has been extremely theraputical. |
It's true. And I saw (I think it was on the Colbert Report) an interview with a psychadellic drug researcher, talking about how today we CANT even really study them as much. (No where near like how we did in the 60s).
And getting back to ecstasy....I heard once that doctors felt it should be a schedule III drug. These are medical experts, who said it should be a III. But eh, we all know the schedules are crazy..... |
I don't know about LSD... I was friends with a guy who volunteered as an LSD guinea pig for a study, and I saw the CAT Scans they ran off his brain... it was pretty sad, he was a really smart guy and he just wasn't the same afterwards. However, if you're talking about XTC, then there's a guy I know who can... 
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:32 |
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:29 |
cuncuna wrote:
Don't use drugs, ride a bike, excercise and have incredible, beautiful sex. And don't forget to take vitamins (eat fruit) and brush your teeth. Stay happy, healthy and in love forever. |
pretty much sums it up
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:28 |
Don't use drugs, ride a bike, excercise and have incredible, beautiful sex. And don't forget to take vitamins (eat fruit) and brush your teeth. Stay happy, healthy and in love forever.
Edited by cuncuna - May 14 2007 at 22:28
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:28 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
Its a shame most people dont understand that LSD does not belong on the list of S1 drugs either...it is/and has been extremely theraputical. |
It's true. And I saw (I think it was on the Colbert Report) an interview with a psychadellic drug researcher, talking about how today we CANT even really study them as much. (No where near like how we did in the 60s).
And getting back to ecstasy....I heard once that doctors felt it should be a schedule III drug. These are medical experts, who said it should be a III. But eh, we all know the schedules are crazy.....
Edited by JJLehto - May 14 2007 at 22:30
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:24 |
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Its a shame most people dont understand that LSD does not belong on the list of S1 drugs either...it is/and has been extremely theraputical.
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:15 |
rileydog22 wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
The Lost Chord wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
Interestingly, Ecstasy is used theraputically to treat post-traumatic stress disorder. Even more interestingly, the US gov't has it classified as a Schedule I drug, which is defined as containing only highly abusable drugs that have no theraputic uses. |
Dont get me started... 
Every theraputic drug is in that damn Schedule I...  |
Seriously. The drug schedules HAVE to be politically motivated, they are totally f*ked up.
There's a lot of stuff I don't like about them but one example, weed is a schedule I and cocaine is a II? I don't think so...and that also puts weed on the same level as heroin???
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Well, cocaine is used theraputically, so it really DOES belong on Schedule II. Weed is a legal, prescribable drug in several states, so the Schedule I placement doesn't make sense for it either.
My personal favorite idiotic scheduling is GHB; it is on schedule I AND Schedule III because it has legal theraputic value.
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That's true about cocaine, but exactly as you said....weed makes no sense on the list.
And what about tobacco/alcohol? Those are drugs, neither have any real medical purpose, both are addicting (and very bad for you) and where are they placed???
It just dosn't make much sense to me...
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:11 |
JJLehto wrote:
The Lost Chord wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
Interestingly, Ecstasy is used theraputically to treat post-traumatic stress disorder. Even more interestingly, the US gov't has it classified as a Schedule I drug, which is defined as containing only highly abusable drugs that have no theraputic uses. |
Dont get me started...
Every theraputic drug is in that damn Schedule I... |
Seriously. The drug schedules HAVE to be politically motivated, they are totally f*ked up.
There's a lot of stuff I don't like about them but one example, weed is a schedule I and cocaine is a II? I don't think so...and that also puts weed on the same level as heroin???
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Well, cocaine is used theraputically, so it really DOES belong on Schedule II. Weed is a legal, prescribable drug in several states, so the Schedule I placement doesn't make sense for it either. My personal favorite idiotic scheduling is GHB; it is on schedule I AND Schedule III because it has legal theraputic value.
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 21:56 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
Interestingly, Ecstasy is used theraputically to treat post-traumatic stress disorder. Even more interestingly, the US gov't has it classified as a Schedule I drug, which is defined as containing only highly abusable drugs that have no theraputic uses. |
Dont get me started...
Every theraputic drug is in that damn Schedule I... |
Seriously. The drug schedules HAVE to be politically motivated, they are totally f*ked up.
There's a lot of stuff I don't like about them but one example, weed is a schedule I and cocaine is a II? I don't think so...and that also puts weed on the same level as heroin???
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 20:58 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
NaturalScience wrote:
bhikkhu wrote:
If you feel you need to artificially alter your consciousness, it is better to figure why you want to in the first place. |
Most insightful thing I've read in a while, thanks.
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Well, all of the scholars ive read and people I have influenced on learning about psychedelics would most certainly have an understanding of "why" they want to experience and mystical journey or insight into these substances.
Artificial they are not; psychedelics are usually synthesized from natural things, like hell, MDMA comes from sassafras plants, LSD from Ergot fungus, Marijuana and Cannabis, DMT is in your damn body ....the list goes on!
I think most of them were put here for humans to experience alternate realities, it is God and natures will. |
I dont belive in god and have found that a good trip is not dissimilar to meditation or prayer (real prayer) psychedellics are easyer. Also there have been studies that sound can have the same effect, and so music addiction is a real thing. Evrything is addictive evrything is a portal to other worlds, if you call it religion, ecstacy, weed, heroin, music or whatever else it may be, I use lots of different ones personaly.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 20:44 |
rileydog22 wrote:
Interestingly, Ecstasy is used theraputically to treat post-traumatic stress disorder. Even more interestingly, the US gov't has it classified as a Schedule I drug, which is defined as containing only highly abusable drugs that have no theraputic uses. |
Dont get me started...
Every theraputic drug is in that damn Schedule I...
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 20:41 |
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Interestingly, Ecstasy is used theraputically to treat post-traumatic stress disorder. Even more interestingly, the US gov't has it classified as a Schedule I drug, which is defined as containing only highly abusable drugs that have no theraputic uses.
Edited by rileydog22 - May 14 2007 at 20:42
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