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VanderGraafKommandöh 
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Posted: August 15 2006 at 02:39 |
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: August 15 2006 at 02:33 |
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Posted: August 15 2006 at 02:32 |
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Tony R
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 15:13 |
All joking apart,I would have loved to have seen Zappa's face if someone told him he played Prog Rock!!!! 
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 15:05 |
 Tony R wrote:
If Zappa is Prog Rock then my name's Stonebeard Cygnus XXIV
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What are we going to do with you?
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Tony R
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 15:01 |
Moodies and Frank Zappa arent Prog Rock.
If Zappa is Prog Rock then my name's Stonebeard Cygnus XXIV
Gentle Giant are a footnote and Jethro Tull are too "hey nonnie nonnie" and all major Neo-Prog bands are too twee. Prog Metal would help on a desert island by scaring away any large,man-eating animals but unfortunately would also scare off any would-be rescuers...VDGG? Where were all the lighthouse keepers when the ship sank? Dancing manically to VDGG probably! They get vetoed for being the reason you're on a Desert Island in the first place and ELP should get their own Desert Island and live on Love Beach.
So that leaves Genesis,Yes,Floyd and Marillion for balance.Room for 9 Rush albums... 
Oh,I get it-everyone stopped reading after the Zappa slur didnt they... 
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maani
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 17:07 |
EL:
Nope! Not even Klaatu made the list!
Tony:
If I were doing an article on the dozen or so most "important" or "influential" albums vis-a-vis the origin, development and "progression" of prog, I would probably try to fit Rush in their, given that they were (among other things) the "jumping off point" for prog metal, and that is certainly important.
However, I simply don't consider any of Rush's albums "essential" for a DID collection. As always, it is a subjective call, no matter how objective I may try to be. Indeed, as an exercise in futility for you, I dare you to come up with a "baker's dozen" of the "absolutely essential must-have" prog albums and include Rush without excluding, at very least, Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, ELP, Pink Floyd and Gentle Giant - just for starters. That's already seven: that only leaves you 6 picks. For my money, The Moody Blues have to be in there, as does Zappa. That now leaves 4. If we include VDGG, that leaves 3. And we haven't even begun to get into neo-prog and other subgenres yet - Marillion, IQ, Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, etc.
True, you will agree with some of my choices and disagree with others. Perhaps this would be a good time to "ressurect" the DID thread, since it has not been seen for quite some time. It would be interesting to see how members decide who to omit from such a list. And I'm already giving 3 more choices than the usual 10.
Peace.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 16:27 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
I must say that the archives have allowed me to raise my writing skills from pityful to just plain bad.
With lots more practice (something like 2000 more reviews), it might just come to not-so-bad.
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Your writing is neither pitiful nor bad, Hugues, and you know it very well...
As for myself, I don't know whether I'll ever land a job thanks to PA... However, I must say that it has done wonders for giving me extra practice in writing in English. Up to some five-six years ago, I had no problems whatsoever in writing even very long papers in English - then, because of a series of negative circumstances, I felt I was losing all the skills accumulated in years of work.
Nowadays, I've gone back to writing papers and essays in English (some to be published in books and reviews of academic standards) with ease, and much of it is due to the practice I get both posting on the forums and writing my now-legendary reviews (well, I've got my own fan club, even if you might not know that... ). So, a big hand for PA - of course it's good for all of us, in more ways than one!
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Just don't forget how to write in Italian! You're command of the English is much better than a lot of English speakers, so you should be proud of that fact. Infact, I think your writing skills in English are better than my own!  
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Tony R
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 12:45 |
maani wrote:
Tony:
If you were aiming that barb at me (LOL), actually neither Rush nor The Church made the "baker's dozen" list. Sorry...
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Then in Rush's case you would be performing an injustice.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 11:32 |
maani wrote:
Tony:
If you were aiming that barb at me (LOL), actually neither Rush nor The Church made the "baker's dozen" list. Sorry...
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Not much hope for Supertramp either then!  
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:15 |
Sean Trane wrote:
I must say that the archives have allowed me to raise my writing skills from pityful to just plain bad.
With lots more practice (something like 2000 more reviews), it might just come to not-so-bad.
Hurray for the Archives |
Your writing is neither pitiful nor bad, Hugues, and you know it very well... As for myself, I don't know whether I'll ever land a job thanks to PA... However, I must say that it has done wonders for giving me extra practice in writing in English. Up to some five-six years ago, I had no problems whatsoever in writing even very long papers in English - then, because of a series of negative circumstances, I felt I was losing all the skills accumulated in years of work. Nowadays, I've gone back to writing papers and essays in English (some to be published in books and reviews of academic standards) with ease, and much of it is due to the practice I get both posting on the forums and writing my now-legendary reviews (well, I've got my own fan club, even if you might not know that... ). So, a big hand for PA - of course it's good for all of us, in more ways than one!
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:05 |
PROGMAN wrote:
PA is good for you, cause it has unique facilities like the Velvet Room, nobody else has that, making PA special. OK,OK because it is one of the only Prog site that has full interactivity, like you can review albums and discuss PROG with other across the globe and you cabn also contribute to album additions etc.
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Yes. And the day we'll have as much/or more (real prog) bands in our database than sites such as Gepr, we'll be the best!!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:01 |
maani wrote:
Sean:
Self-deprecation doesn't become you! LOL. You are among the best writers on the site.....................but don't let it go to your head!! LOL.
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The exact reason why I use self-deprecation humour
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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maani
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 20:43 |
Tony:
If you were aiming that barb at me (LOL), actually neither Rush nor The Church made the "baker's dozen" list. Sorry...
Peace.
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PROGMAN
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 20:41 |
PA is good for you, cause it has unique facilities like the Velvet Room, nobody else has that, making PA special. OK,OK because it is one of the only Prog site that has full interactivity, like you can review albums and discuss PROG with other across the globe and you cabn also contribute to album additions etc.
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CYMRU AM BYTH
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Tony R
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 17:03 |
So I guess Rush wont get a mention but The Church will.
3,000,000,000,000,000 Rush fans cant all be wrong...
Who you calling a liar?
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maani
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 15:06 |
James:
Progarchives cannot only help you get a bona fide job (and best wishes with that!), but it can simply "open doors" as well. Setting aside the doors it opened for me re interviews (Wakeman, Wilson et al), I have been asked to write an article for a major music/podcast site. The article is ostensibly going to be called "The Absolutely Essential Progressive Rock Listening Guide." This is not like Rony's book (which is excellent, by the way...), but is rather a serious but tongue-in-cheek attempt to "pare down" prog rock into 10 or 12 essential albums. A futile exercise, at best, but one that I am having fun with.
I will let everyone know when it is "published," and provide a link.
Peace.
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maani
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 15:03 |
Sean:
Self-deprecation doesn't become you! LOL. You are among the best writers on the site.....................but don't let it go to your head!! LOL.
Peace.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 13:32 |
I must say that the archives have allowed me to raise my writing skills from pityful to just plain bad.
With lots more practice (something like 2000 more reviews), it might just come to not-so-bad.
Hurray for the Archives
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Tony R
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 13:00 |
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