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Ben2112
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Topic: Atheist prog? Posted: April 07 2006 at 22:14 |
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Hey just out of curiosity, are you the same coffee in the face as is on youtube.com? I think you're the one who posted himself playing Red? I am Rocinante on that site and I think I just commented recently on your vid. I knew I had seen that nickname before! Sorry for O/T. I ain't touching this topic. |
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Flyingsod
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 19 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 564 |
Posted: April 07 2006 at 21:24 | |
Thanks. Id like hard evidence also. something coded into the nature of the universe would be cool. If you've read the book 'Contact' by carl sagan and (oops forgot her name) you know what I mean. In the book during the contact with the alien being we are told that in the calculation for pie can be found the code for a circle, pie being mathmatics about the measurment of a circle... hard coded evidence of an intentional design of the universe. Left out of the movie of course which really had an almost opposite message from the book. That's hollywood for ya though. I think in the end for us scientificly minded types it comes down to probabilities. It's just more likely that there is life on other planets that for a specific creation myth to be true. So its easy to have faith in things that are probable. Btw did you get caught up in the discovery of liquid water on Io? I'm not convinced it's all that important but its still pretty cool. |
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The Wizard
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: April 07 2006 at 21:15 | |
I'm pretty sure Ian Anderson is a theist. He just belives that religon is not really a blessing and it gets between man and god. That is the topic of the song 'My God'. |
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Flyingsod
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 19 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 564 |
Posted: April 07 2006 at 21:11 | |
Thanks for posting that Peart letter. That was great. Makes me want to read his non Rush writting even more.
Jethro Tull... Someone said Ians beliefe in christ was fact, someone said he is an atheist. how bout some documentation (other than the obvious song lyrics). I always fancied him an old world celtic mythos believer. Did no one follow the link to the gospel of FSM? We've got to get moving on these eyepatches before the polar ice caps melt and drown us all. Laurent, I wanted to say the same thing but couldn't come up with a tactful was to say it. Good job. |
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Masque
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 20:10 | |
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Derraine
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 18:59 | |
ELP's Tarkus has a lot to do with the corruptive potential of religion. I think though, that it's important to distinguish between the question of theism/atheism (whether a person believes in the existence of a deity) and that of religion (what a person's precise spritual beliefs are). Incidentally, does anyone know anything about Steve Hogarth's religious beliefs? He sings about god sometimes, but on one occasion describes god as being female, perhaps to suggest that he is not referring to a specific god of the judeo-christian-islamic model? |
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Witness the man who raves at the wall!
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Seyo
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 18:46 | |
The very question of this topic presuposes that there is a general agreement on definition about religion or atheism, which do not exist in practice, at least not in full scope. Another thing, it assumes that prog rock therefore music therefore art must necessarily express a certain religious, political, ideological or philosophical standpoint, which again is highly debatable. Atheism of course means "disbelief in divine being(s)" but itself can be structured as a religion. There exists for example "Agnostic Church" in USA, with organization, membership, practice and defined creed "we don't know and we don't care" (about existance of God). Now, if I don't adhere to this "church" does it make me "anti-agnostic", therefore gnostic or theist? This looks like a Zen question... The whole sub-culture movement of the 1960s (from which of course the prog rock sprung up) was largely anti-establishment, anti-institutional and anti-Christian church as an established body of authority. It was informed by the so-called "religion of nature", sort of neo-paganism, and many influences from the East Asian religions, notably Hinduism and Buddhism. It was all an important segment of the psychedelic rock, acid-culture and peace movement. |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: April 07 2006 at 18:44 | |
Very interesting, I really like all the feedback I've gotten on this one.
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kajkeron
Forum Newbie Joined: April 07 2006 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 7 |
Posted: April 07 2006 at 18:35 | |
Atheist prog? Rush! Indian Summer (1 song oon the album). Probably in many cases the ideological or spiritual preferences of the singer are considered as a profile of the band. (or - in case of King Crimson - guitarist's..). |
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The Miracle
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Posted: April 07 2006 at 18:25 | |
Tull = Anderson, and Anderson is an atheist
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The Wizard
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: April 07 2006 at 18:02 | |
So your saying all extreme leftist are atheist? |
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KazimirMajorinc
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 16:11 | |
I guess Area should be atheists, since they were extreme leftists.
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MajesterX
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 16:08 | |
This is why I don't like these kind of threads. They always seem to offend everyone.
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Laurent
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 15:51 | |
And I could say that, deep down inside, Christians are just insecure, afraid and weak. So they make believe in this supernatural deity to reassure their fears. I could say that, but I won't. I don't know it to be true, and am no position to judge the motives, and character of others who choose to believe, or disbelieve what they do. Edited by Laurent |
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man@arms
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 15:28 | |
Here's to Neil Peart! |
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Lofcaudio
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 04 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 444 |
Posted: April 07 2006 at 15:16 | |
Wow...a very well-written response by Mr. Peart. As a believer in the Bible and a follower of Jesus, I applaud him for his acute insight into human nature and perhaps even having a greater glimpse of the Truth than many of us who call ourselves "Christians."
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: April 07 2006 at 14:59 | |
Wow, this post really took off better than I thought it would.
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Rushman
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 13:45 | |
This is a fairly interesting read. It's a letter to the editor of a Texas newspaper that Neil Peart wrote in response to their coverage of a conference of some religious group claiming that rock music has subliminal satanic messages in it. Somewhat related to this thread, definitely gives you insite into his beliefs. A few Peart/Rush songs that give you more insite: Anthem, Freewill, Tom Sawyer, look up the lyrics.
Damn, he's a great writer!
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man@arms
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 31 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 238 |
Posted: April 07 2006 at 09:09 | |
Well stated! I've thoroughly enjoyed this thread, probably because I too am an atheist. I came from a Christian family and even though I tried going to church on several occasions it was always an effort to force myself to believe in any of it. My rationale being that believing in God or Christ was no different than believing in the Loch Ness Monster or the Tooth Fairy. It is just fantasy and make believe. I am more scientific in that I want hard evidence. However I do believe that life exists outside of planet earth, though I have no proof. But, the universe is so vast and complex how could life not exist elsewhere? Of course this is just me going on another tangent. |
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jonali
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 08:01 | |
Nick Mason is an atheist. A quote can be found here: http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Nick_Mason As other people already have mentioned, Gilmour is also an atheist, but I believe Waters has a religious or spiritual belief of some kind (cannot remember the quote or the interview). Dunno about Wright (or Barrett for that matter). if you click further on "Recording Artist" on that web page, you will find further comments from artists who are either atheists or very sceptical of religious belief. |
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