Signals or GuP

neither, but GUP and Windows are potentially the worst un-Rush albums ever.

So Signals gets my vote.

Edited by Sean Trane - 26 minutes ago at 02:04

verslibre wrote: Atavachron wrote: Never understood the appeal of GUP, it was a shock to the ears of older fans and the tour was disappointing to say the least.   Grace under pressure indeed, but hardly graceful, and the pressure came from the band, their dismissal of Terry Brown, cheesy '80s haircuts, and the rejection of their fantastic past. A "shock to the ears of older fans" who wanted 2113, maybe. Rush enjoyed years of successful collaborations with Broon, but that lake was now a dry bed. Survival requires change. The songwriting was the key. They conjured up eight more fantastic songs that sound patently "Rush." The new material evoked a stark dystopian aesthetic; it was meaner, more urgent, "future-rock." You have to remember that Signals also did not escape the wrath of "old Rush fans" who lamented the increased role of keyboards in their music. (Alex, too!) Then there were those of us who relished it. Atavachron wrote: ^ ^ Alex was the best thing that year with his cool new minimal style.   But "I see red, it hurts my head, must be something that I read" was not Peart's best moment.   Even Body Electric's "1 0 0, 1 0 0, 1 in distress" (one of the better things on the album) was a cringe-worthy '80s mech-rock shock when compared to just two years earlier. Sorry, I disagree. As quirky "Red Lenses" is, it's a great song. There are no bad songs on GUP. It's a perfect album. If you want to read Neil's cringiest lyrics, those are found on Roll the Bones, Test for Echo, and Snakes and Arrows.

2112 is far from their best record, a bit juvenile if you ask me.   Signals on the other hand was & is a terrific record despite the synths and shortened thematics.

As far as your "eight more fantastic songs" and GUP being a "perfect album", you must be a second-gen Rush fan, it's the only explanation.   And while I agree Roll the Bones was not their peak (saw that tour too), at least it had a modicum of heart.   

Grace Under Pressure was a bowl of cold stone soup.

verslibre wrote: Finnforest wrote: Naturally, if I could have chosen the set list myself, it would have been the first three albums played cover to cover....that's my idea of optimal Rush. Rush + Fly by Night + Caress of Steel? That would get old pretty fast. I've no use for the debut. They sound like a high school band on that.

Never! Still love it.

Agree with you, though, on Grace being a perfect album.

Catcher10 wrote: I skipped the GUP tour (I think...?) but did see the PW tour (awesome) and then Presto with the big bunnies That was my wife's first Rush concert...she liked the bunnies.

Presto was a weird show. I liked it, it was a good show, but it felt short...because it was short: about 2hrs, with the encores!

It was cool they brought back "Xanadu." I loved that they still opened with "Force Ten." I would've swapped out a Presto song for "Open Secrets" or another from Grace Under Pressure. And they needed to play another twenty minutes!

Atavachron wrote: Never understood the appeal of GUP, it was a shock to the ears of older fans and the tour was disappointing to say the least.   Grace under pressure indeed, but hardly graceful, and the pressure came from the band, their dismissal of Terry Brown, cheesy '80s haircuts, and the rejection of their fantastic past.

A "shock to the ears of older fans" who wanted 2113, maybe.

Rush enjoyed years of successful collaborations with Broon, but that lake was now a dry bed. Survival requires change. The songwriting was the key. They conjured up eight more fantastic songs that sound patently "Rush." The new material evoked a stark dystopian aesthetic; it was meaner, more urgent, "future-rock."

You have to remember that Signals also did not escape the wrath of "old Rush fans" who lamented the increased role of keyboards in their music. (Alex, too!) Then there were those of us who relished it.

Atavachron wrote: ^ ^ Alex was the best thing that year with his cool new minimal style.   But "I see red, it hurts my head, must be something that I read" was not Peart's best moment.   Even Body Electric's "1 0 0, 1 0 0, 1 in distress" (one of the better things on the album) was a cringe-worthy '80s mech-rock shock when compared to just two years earlier.

Sorry, I disagree. As quirky "Red Lenses" is, it's a great song. There are no bad songs on GUP. It's a perfect album.

If you want to read Neil's cringiest lyrics, those are found on Roll the Bones, Test for Echo, and Snakes and Arrows.   

Finnforest wrote: ^ Well, I saw the Grace tour from the 3rd row on Alex's side, and "disappointing" does not describe our evening nor the other fans around us who were very obviously digging it. Had a total blast. Cheesy haircuts? You got me there.

I skipped the GUP tour (I think...?) but did see the PW tour (awesome) and then Presto with the big bunnies
That was my wife's first Rush concert...she liked the bunnies.

Signals by 1.25 star.

Never understood the appeal of GUP, it was a shock to the ears of older fans and the tour was disappointing to say the least.   Grace under pressure indeed, but hardly graceful, and the pressure came from the band, their dismissal of Terry Brown, cheesy '80s haircuts, and the rejection of their fantastic past.

Steve Wyzard wrote: Grace Under Pressure is the most "dated" Rush album.

More "dated" than Hold Your Fire or Roll the Bones? I think not.

Signals because it has Subdivisions, while Grace Under Pressure does not. Also, I personally can't stand the overprocessed electronic drum sound on GUP.