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Windhawk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
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To sum up a heated debate - a poll that (hopefully) gives all the options stated therein.
I hope everyone with a point of view on the topic will make this a highly visited and used poll :-) Edited by Windhawk - February 18 2010 at 17:38 |
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rpe9p ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 31 2008 Location: Charlottesville Status: Offline Points: 485 |
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oh god not this again
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Online Points: 66581 |
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Olav, you should make this thread vote only with no comments, with a link to the other thread where comments can be made. That way the comments are kept together.
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Windhawk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
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Yeah, it's been done a few times before *chuckles*
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17964 |
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Agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32552 |
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Poll only is always a bad idea simply because the thread will never be bumped and it will get lost very quickly. |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Last one.
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Online Points: 66581 |
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And that is a bad idea why?
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Windhawk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
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I've linked to the other debate now at least. Think I'll leave the space open for comments here as well. Those with an opinion on the debate in question will probably manage to find it and give their say there ;-)
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Alberto Muņoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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Olav i vote for the first option, i only participate in the "heaten" debate only because i do not consider them a "legend" right now.
Cheers.
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Alberto Muņoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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And what is "pog" metal that you referring in the second option? |
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MovingPictures07 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
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First option for sure.
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J-Man ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
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I'm still completely clueless as to how people can possibly deny Dream Theater as a prog band. First option (and maybe the second) are the only ones that even remotely make sense.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37016 |
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Dream Theater creates Prog music, it does not exclusively create Prog music to my knowledge. I consider it part of the greater Prog scene. I consider metal to be a subset of rock, which makes its music both Progressive Metal and less narrowly Progressive Rock. I do not think of bands as Prog per se as I do music as Prog (though if one is shortening this from being part of the Prog movement, creating Prog-styled music, or part of the greater Prog scene then I might let this lie -- I know it's implied). Also, it rather bugs me somewhat since many bands deemed Prog also make non-Prog music so the dichotomy does not work for me much of the time
Further down the list, I don't believe that bands under the Prog-scene umbrella need be progressive (as an adjective), nor are many bands/artists that make progressive music Prog (many have been outside of the rock/metal universe). I'm not sure how progressive (as in moving music forward, innovation, and expanding the lexicon of what rock/metal music can be, or music generally) Dream Theater is (of course being progressive infers innovation rather than pure invention) but I find it quite conventional in approach (so not very progressive -- more Prog by style than Prog by approach to use the ratingfreak terminology). Ultimately, no vote. The music does not strike me as terribly progressive (but that's not to say that it hasn't progressed metal). I do think the band makes music fits the greater Prog scene, but as I said, I don't really consider bands Prog; I consider music itself Prog or not, or Prog by degree commonly. Edited by Logan - February 18 2010 at 19:40 |
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TGM: Orb ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
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No vote. Depends entirely on what you're talking about. Even their best albums (I love Awake, for instance) don't strike me as being genuinely progressive.
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The Pessimist ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3834 |
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Oh give over folks, they are a prog band through and through. Doesn't mean they are any good though does it
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37016 |
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It certainly doesn't. If music being Prog was dependant upon quality (rather than
qualities), most of the bands in the archives, and a number of
categories, would be discarded -- leaving only
my, and people with similarly good tastes -- favourites. ;) Anyway, there's not much worse than cookie-cutter Prog (Prog-by-numbers), and could Dream Theater ever be accused of that?
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The Pessimist ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3834 |
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If you discount Dance of Eternity then... Oh wait nevermind
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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You mean only Jazz Rock, and any sub-genre that shares even a tiny bit of relation with jazz, right? I would be ok with that, yeah.
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kawkaw123 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 11 2009 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 445 |
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Wow i'm surprised that anyone could think that dream theater is not Progressive.
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