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    Posted: January 09 2007 at 16:56
The 2007 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

Patti Smith- punk legend
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five- 1st rap inductee
The Ronettes- token oldies group
R.E.M.- alt. rock giant
Van Halen- finally admitted

It seems that the hall of fame is beginning to embrace the genres they ignore. Metal entered last year with Sabbath. Now rap is in with Grandmaster Flash. Is prog next?

The problem is there are no metal inductees this year (I view VH as hard rock.

Glaring ommissions from hall of fame:
Deep Purple- why are they not in?
Genesis- one of top 30 selling artists of all time, that alone should secure a spot
Yes- also sold a lot for prog band, hugely influential
Link Wray- proto punk and metal, widely credited with the first use of the power chord
Love- not commercially successful, but hugely influential
Journey- many radio hits as well as one of the greatest singers in rock
MC5- proto-punk band that introduced a militant mentality to war protests (pause for irony)
Iron Maiden- one of the few important bands from the 80s that meets the 25 year minimum "age" to be considered, hugely influential and commercially successful for a non-pop metal band.
Judas Priest- same credentials as Maiden
Jethro Tull- kings of prog-folk, the most commercially and critically successful prog folk band
Screamin' Jay Hawkins- instead of token oldies inductions, why not the man who pioneered theatricality in rock. Alice Cooper, KISS, and a host of others owe this man a debt
Alice Cooper- pioneer of shock rock, which older voters will not take seriously. However, he is a huge concert draw and relatively successful both commercially and critically.

The only real qualification is that a band cannot be considered until 25 years after the release of its debut album. So, why haven't these bands been inducted?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2007 at 22:35
prog will never be inducted 'cause it doesn't sell. The closest we'll get is when the induct Peter gabriel, but for his solo work it will be. Prog has no drug-deaths like "rock-stars" usually have and the press so loves, prog has usually no "attitude" towards the system, prog has no larger-than-life egotistical figures, prog is a music made FOR MUSIC's SAKE, and that doesn't go well with the industry. Disclaimer: these are not entirely original ideas, but are entirely true.

Believe me, I'm not losing any sleep because of prog not being inducted. Yes and Genesis will get there by 2057, after Korn and Papa Roach.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 07:10
Does it matter?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 15:54
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Does it matter?
 
What a strange attitude to bring to a thread. Peace on Earth and mercy mild.
 
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Anyway, R.E.M. definitely - I'd thought they had been inducted last year! Those guys have delivered plenty of stellar albums, from Automatic For The People to Murmur.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 11:55
I think the hall of fame voters consider Progressive Rock the autistic cousin who no one wants to talk about or acknowledge.  Genesis should have been inducted years ago.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 11:59
I remember seeing a petition on the internet to get Rush into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Needless to say I signed it about 50 times under many different names. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 12:12
    I agree with all of your choices, except Love. I had never heard of them until Rolling Stone published that 500 greatest pop albums issue. Aside from that, I see them referenced here by members once in a great while. Obviously they didn't sell many albums, but what makes them so influential? I have never heard any artist referencing them as an influence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 15:44
Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

I think the hall of fame voters consider Progressive Rock the autistic cousin who no one wants to talk about or acknowledge.  Genesis should have been inducted years ago.




Right on the point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 15:52
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Does it matter?


For the second time today, I have to respond with a sonorous "Hear, hear!" to something you wrote...Wink

Who cares about the Hall of Fame? Does it affect our enjoyment of music or what? We know how these things work, and we should know better than to get p***ed off about that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:02
I've heard people in the know say that the prog band with the best chance to break the barrier is of all groups... ELP.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:08
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

I've heard people in the know say that the prog band with the best chance to break the barrier is of all groups... ELP.


Three things:

1. Incredible that a band with such complex music would be considered.

2. Incredible that a band that's the subject of lots of bashing and ridicule by the "music industry and media" could be the one selected BY THAT SAME INDUSTRY; it shows the hipocrisy, but is easily explainable by,

3. ELP was one of the top sellers in the prog-gold-era, so that's why. Like everything in the music/whore-industry, it's decided by MONEY.


    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:10
From those you suggested, the one that surprises me is Deep Purple. I'm not a big fan but I can't see why they aren't included. They were good sellers. They had big hits. They were not prog...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:20
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

I've heard people in the know say that the prog band with the best chance to break the barrier is of all groups... ELP.


Three things:

1. Incredible that a band with such complex music would be considered.

2. Incredible that a band that's the subject of lots of bashing and ridicule by the "music industry and media" could be the one selected BY THAT SAME INDUSTRY; it shows the hipocrisy, but is easily explainable by,

3. ELP was one of the top sellers in the prog-gold-era, so that's why. Like everything in the music/whore-industry, it's decided by MONEY.


    


not to mention ELP ...sh*t.. let's face it. represent all that was loved AND hated about prog.  They.. not Yes, or King Crimson and sure as hell not Genesis were the face of Prog in the 70's.  Have noted before, I have two friends, a few years older than me who were old enough to check out these artists in their prime.  They both state, unequilavably and ..independently as well hahah.. that the ELP tour of 1974 was THE single best concert they saw of the 70's. That includes the Floyd tours.. Zeppelin...even.. and I was surprised by this.. even the Who.  They were huge and hated by the press.. hell yeah.. what better way to slap prog by inducting the one band that still is on worst band lists today LOL It's a longshot.. hell all the prog bands are.  But I think ELP would be the first one to be inducted. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:21
Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

From those you suggested, the one that surprises me is Deep Purple. I'm not a big fan but I can't see why they aren't included. They were good sellers. They had big hits. They were not prog...


ouch... those are fighting words around AR Headquarters....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:24
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

From those you suggested, the one that surprises me is Deep Purple. I'm not a big fan but I can't see why they aren't included. They were good sellers. They had big hits. They were not prog...


ouch... those are fighting words around AR Headquarters....


Embarrassed

My post sounds offensive to Deep Purple right? LOL

I like 'em and I don't deny they had prog moments. I'm just saying they aren't remembered and seen as a prog band by anybody. That's why the "prog factor" can't explain why they aren't included yet.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:29
Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

From those you suggested, the one that surprises me is Deep Purple. I'm not a big fan but I can't see why they aren't included. They were good sellers. They had big hits. They were not prog...


ouch... those are fighting words around AR Headquarters....


Embarrassed

My post sounds offensive to Deep Purple right? LOL

I like 'em and I don't deny they had prog moments. I'm just saying they aren't remembered and seen as a prog band by anybody. That's why the "prog factor" can't explain why they aren't included yet.


that's why they remastered and re-released the Mk.1 line-up albums.  That phase had sort of fallen through the cracks.. and that is why we are here... to correct the errors in people's ways hahahha.

Have a good night Bern.... off to get some well needed sleep.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:31
I don't see how a rapper is being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but that's just me. Van Halen, not a big fan, but man its about time they got in!
And you gotta love R.E.M., one of my favourites.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 23:20
Originally posted by Zappa88 Zappa88 wrote:

I don't see how a rapper is being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but that's just me. Van Halen, not a big fan, but man its about time they got in!
And you gotta love R.E.M., one of my favourites.

    
I missed that... you're right... that proves my point further: this "hall of fame" crap is just, well, that, crap. "music industry" crap, a well-thought way of promoting music without actually advertising (the ceremony will take care of that)... great, a RAPPER in the ROCK hall of fame...

I hope, when they announce the HIPHOP Hall of Fame Inductees, they include The Beatles...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 23:32
I have very little doubt a prog band will be included sooner than later, I'd guess within five years. ELP? Maybe, but I'd think Tull because they're as well known, still together, and appeal to a wider group of people.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 23:39
Amazing, inducting a rapper to the ROCK & ROLL Hall of fame it's like giving the Nobel Prize of Medicine to a novelist that writes best sellers.
 
No relation, Rap is not Rock, I believe somebody should tell this morons that you should at least play Rock to be inducted.
 
They should change the name to "Best Selling Doesn't Matter What Genre Hall of Fame" because it's not a Rock hall anymore.
 
Who's next...Ricky Martin?
 
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