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I, personally, think Rothery is the best guitarist as far as diversity and emotion goes, with only Howe in front of him. Just something about his playing and solos which always hit me, amazing stuff to these ears.
I absolutely love Marbles, easily in my top 5 albums ever, although I can get how some people wouldn't enjoy them compared to the Fish era. I guess thats what I love about Marillion though, there's something for every mood of mine

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I should go in there and drop a Strange Engine on 'em. Kicks the @#%! out of "Grendel", IMO.

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This Strange Engine is pure brilliance! But in virtually every way non-comparable with Grendel, IMO, so TSE wouldn't kick the sh*t out of it. They are both very different genres, IMO.


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I never compared this particular apple to that particular orange. But I still think it kicks the sh*t out of "Grendel". Just my opinion and never wanted to start a debate.

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I absolutely love both, but TSE is the track which *finally* got my dad to start liking Marillion, so I'll have to go with that one out of the two. Both fantastic songs by a great band though, I think we can all agree that
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I, personally, think Rothery is the best guitarist as far as diversity and emotion goes, with only Howe in front of him. Just something about his playing and solos which always hit me, amazing stuff to these ears.
I absolutely love Marbles, easily in my top 5 albums ever, although I can get how some people wouldn't enjoy them compared to the Fish era. I guess thats what I love about Marillion though, there's something for every mood of mine

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Joel, I agree that Rothery is an expressive guitarist, in much the way that Dave Gilmour is with Floyd. Rothers is very much a sound shaper , and chooses what he plays carefully for each song, For him it's the end result that is important, and not so much any spotlight on his playing. It's a Marillion thing, where the whole is much greater than the sum of it's component parts.  You mention Steve Howe ( who has always been one of my faves going wayyyyyyyy  back. ) , and that man is certainly accomplished, yet I disgaree and think that he is not nearly as emotive as Rothery. A better analogy would be Steve Hackett, who can pretty much do it all, from majestic ,sweeping lines and washes, to delicate and intricate fills and flourishes. Mr Hackett can also shred like few others in his genre, and then play and compose finely crafted classical pieces.
Yay for Marbles though, certainly one of  Marillion's best.
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Rothery, Latimer and Gilmour are so expressive in the way they play. Just very emotional. I get the same feelings (to a lesser degree) from Roine Stolt, but wouldn't put him up there with the 3 I mentioned.

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Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Rothery, Latimer and Gilmour are so expressive in the way they play. Just very emotional. I get the same feelings (to a lesser degree) from Roine Stolt, but wouldn't put him up there with the 3 I mentioned.

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I've got every Flower Kings disc, every Transatlantic disc, Agents Of Mercy, every Tangent (including the two with him on it, plus Pyramids And Stars), a few Kaipa discs, Karmakanic (yes, I know it's not his band, but he plays on a few tracks), Neal Morse's ? (where Stolt guests on).

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Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

I've got every Flower Kings disc, every Transatlantic disc, Agents Of Mercy, every Tangent (including the two with him on it, plus Pyramids And Stars), a few Kaipa discs, Karmakanic (yes, I know it's not his band, but he plays on a few tracks), Neal Morse's ? (where Stolt guests on).

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Good day to you E !  Have you heard Stolt's Wall Street Voodoo ? Great work on that Album. If we compare Steve R. to Gilmour, then Stolt for me is a prog version of Clapton. It would be interesting to hear Roine play with H and Mark Kelly  as a project off-shoot from Marillion.
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Originally posted by Progfan1958 Progfan1958 wrote:

Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

I, personally, think Rothery is the best guitarist as far as diversity and emotion goes, with only Howe in front of him. Just something about his playing and solos which always hit me, amazing stuff to these ears.
I absolutely love Marbles, easily in my top 5 albums ever, although I can get how some people wouldn't enjoy them compared to the Fish era. I guess thats what I love about Marillion though, there's something for every mood of mine

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Joel, I agree that Rothery is an expressive guitarist, in much the way that Dave Gilmour is with Floyd. Rothers is very much a sound shaper , and chooses what he plays carefully for each song, For him it's the end result that is important, and not so much any spotlight on his playing. It's a Marillion thing, where the whole is much greater than the sum of it's component parts.  You mention Steve Howe ( who has always been one of my faves going wayyyyyyyy  back. ) , and that man is certainly accomplished, yet I disgaree and think that he is not nearly as emotive as Rothery. A better analogy would be Steve Hackett, who can pretty much do it all, from majestic ,sweeping lines and washes, to delicate and intricate fills and flourishes. Mr Hackett can also shred like few others in his genre, and then play and compose finely crafted classical pieces.
Yay for Marbles though, certainly one of  Marillion's best.
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Steve Hackett you say? Well, I only know Hackett from Genesis, I have to admit, but with them I don't think he's very emotive - he is a brilliant player and composer in my opinion, but emotion isn't one of his best skills on his Genesis work, IMO.         Is he very emotive on his solo albums? It could easily be so, for when musicians go solo, they tend to approach music rather differently than they did when they were with a band. Maybe that's because when solo virtually all the writer's input goes out from one guy - rather than working as a whole, as you've stated, something which I underline strongly, was the case with Marillion.

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Originally posted by Progfan1958 Progfan1958 wrote:

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

I've got every Flower Kings disc, every Transatlantic disc, Agents Of Mercy, every Tangent (including the two with him on it, plus Pyramids And Stars), a few Kaipa discs, Karmakanic (yes, I know it's not his band, but he plays on a few tracks), Neal Morse's ? (where Stolt guests on).

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Good day to you E !  Have you heard Stolt's Wall Street Voodoo ? Great work on that Album. If we compare Steve R. to Gilmour, then Stolt for me is a prog version of Clapton. It would be interesting to hear Roine play with H and Mark Kelly  as a project off-shoot from Marillion.


Shoot. Yes, I do have that one. It's even signed by Roine. Big smile

Yeah, I wasn't knockin' the guy. Just a different guitarist than the others.

It could happen. It sounds like Roine might have The Flower Kings on ice for a bit.

Have they announced the venue for the North American convention? It sounds like it's going to be Montreal. I'm still up in the air which one I'll attend. If I go to Holland, it won't be the same standing in line with you and your wife. You guys really made that time go by fast.

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Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by Basíleia Basíleia wrote:

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I should go in there and drop a Strange Engine on 'em. Kicks the @#%! out of "Grendel", IMO.

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This Strange Engine is pure brilliance! But in virtually every way non-comparable with Grendel, IMO, so TSE wouldn't kick the sh*t out of it. They are both very different genres, IMO.


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I never compared this particular apple to that particular orange. But I still think it kicks the sh*t out of "Grendel". Just my opinion and never wanted to start a debate.

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Well, you gave your opinion and I gave mine - that doesn't mean I want to start a debate.

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Originally posted by Basíleia Basíleia wrote:

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by Basíleia Basíleia wrote:

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

I should go in there and drop a Strange Engine on 'em. Kicks the @#%! out of "Grendel", IMO.

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This Strange Engine is pure brilliance! But in virtually every way non-comparable with Grendel, IMO, so TSE wouldn't kick the sh*t out of it. They are both very different genres, IMO.


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I never compared this particular apple to that particular orange. But I still think it kicks the sh*t out of "Grendel". Just my opinion and never wanted to start a debate.

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Well, you gave your opinion and I gave mine - that doesn't mean I want to start a debate.

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I felt it was contested. I could be mistaken.

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Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by Basíleia Basíleia wrote:

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by Basíleia Basíleia wrote:

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

I should go in there and drop a Strange Engine on 'em. Kicks the @#%! out of "Grendel", IMO.

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This Strange Engine is pure brilliance! But in virtually every way non-comparable with Grendel, IMO, so TSE wouldn't kick the sh*t out of it. They are both very different genres, IMO.


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I never compared this particular apple to that particular orange. But I still think it kicks the sh*t out of "Grendel". Just my opinion and never wanted to start a debate.

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Well, you gave your opinion and I gave mine - that doesn't mean I want to start a debate.

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I felt it was contested. I could be mistaken.

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I am sorry, if I seemed to attack you on this point. I didn't share your vision on TSE being able to kick "Grendel", and as an addition I explained why. For me that was it, just giving my thoughts - I wasn't trying to start a debate on this minor thing, which is just a matter of tastes or opinions. ^^

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Just to add my opinion to the Grendel v TSE discussion, I can only say that I think that in 20 years time, TSE will still be regarded as an utter classic and not dated in any way shape or form. Regrettably, Grendel is dated, and no more than an interesting curiosity from a fledgling great band starting on the long journey of finding themselves.

Also, vis a vis the Rothery discussion, he is, IMHO, THE most emotional and expressive of guitarists. The hairs on the back of my neck still stand up when I hear the introduction to Beautiful, the haunting interludes of TSE, and most especially the bursts in Neverland, to name but three. The man is a genius.
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Just to add my opinion to the Grendel v TSE discussion, I can only say that I think that in 20 years time, TSE will still be regarded as an utter classic and not dated in any way shape or form. Regrettably, Grendel is dated, and no more than an interesting curiosity from a fledgling great band starting on the long journey of finding themselves.

Also, vis a vis the Rothery discussion, he is, IMHO, THE most emotional and expressive of guitarists. The hairs on the back of my neck still stand up when I hear the introduction to Beautiful, the haunting interludes of TSE, and most especially the bursts in Neverland, to name but three. The man is a genius.

Well said on both fronts. Regarding TSE, it's simply epic, and I LOVE that solo. 

As for Rothery's fretboard skills, I only count Gilmour and Neal Schon as his melodic peers. And let's not forget the solo in "Easter" -- talk about chills! Or how about the lines beneath Fish's lyrics in "Hotel Hobbies," followed by the whammy-laced explosion of notes that is one terrific hair-raising solo?! 

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Just to add my opinion to the Grendel v TSE discussion, I can only say that I think that in 20 years time, TSE will still be regarded as an utter classic and not dated in any way shape or form. Regrettably, Grendel is dated, and no more than an interesting curiosity from a fledgling great band starting on the long journey of finding themselves.

Also, vis a vis the Rothery discussion, he is, IMHO, THE most emotional and expressive of guitarists. The hairs on the back of my neck still stand up when I hear the introduction to Beautiful, the haunting interludes of TSE, and most especially the bursts in Neverland, to name but three. The man is a genius.

Well said on both fronts. Regarding TSE, it's simply epic, and I LOVE that solo. 

As for Rothery's fretboard skills, I only count Gilmour and Neal Schon as his melodic peers. And let's not forget the solo in "Easter" -- talk about chills! Or how about the lines beneath Fish's lyrics in "Hotel Hobbies," followed by the whammy-laced explosion of notes that is one terrific hair-raising solo?! 

Just my $.02


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Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

I, personally, think Rothery is the best guitarist as far as diversity and emotion goes, with only Howe in front of him. Just something about his playing and solos which always hit me, amazing stuff to these ears.
I absolutely love Marbles, easily in my top 5 albums ever, although I can get how some people wouldn't enjoy them compared to the Fish era. I guess thats what I love about Marillion though, there's something for every mood of mine

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Joel, I agree that Rothery is an expressive guitarist, in much the way that Dave Gilmour is with Floyd. Rothers is very much a sound shaper , and chooses what he plays carefully for each song, For him it's the end result that is important, and not so much any spotlight on his playing. It's a Marillion thing, where the whole is much greater than the sum of it's component parts.  You mention Steve Howe ( who has always been one of my faves going wayyyyyyyy  back. ) , and that man is certainly accomplished, yet I disgaree and think that he is not nearly as emotive as Rothery. A better analogy would be Steve Hackett, who can pretty much do it all, from majestic ,sweeping lines and washes, to delicate and intricate fills and flourishes. Mr Hackett can also shred like few others in his genre, and then play and compose finely crafted classical pieces.
Yay for Marbles though, certainly one of  Marillion's best.
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Steve Hackett you say? Well, I only know Hackett from Genesis, I have to admit, but with them I don't think he's very emotive - he is a brilliant player and composer in my opinion, but emotion isn't one of his best skills on his Genesis work, IMO.         Is he very emotive on his solo albums? It could easily be so, for when musicians go solo, they tend to approach music rather differently than they did when they were with a band. Maybe that's because when solo virtually all the writer's input goes out from one guy - rather than working as a whole, as you've stated, something which I underline strongly, was the case with Marillion.

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Hackett's work with Genesis, as a whole, does not really reflect what he went on to do on his own. The sticking point when he was with the band was that the others would not agree to let him contribute more of the songwriting. This was really a shame because he had so much to offer, and even has a fairly decent singing voice !  His evolution as a musician and composer post-Genesis is really rather remarkable-you should really explore his portfolio. I'll add a comment about Steve Rothery, and say that it would be really interesting to hear what he would do on his own ( Not that I would want him to leave Marillion )-Imagine what an instrmental album full of his guitarwork would sound like !
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I've got every Flower Kings disc, every Transatlantic disc, Agents Of Mercy, every Tangent (including the two with him on it, plus Pyramids And Stars), a few Kaipa discs, Karmakanic (yes, I know it's not his band, but he plays on a few tracks), Neal Morse's ? (where Stolt guests on).

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Good day to you E !  Have you heard Stolt's Wall Street Voodoo ? Great work on that Album. If we compare Steve R. to Gilmour, then Stolt for me is a prog version of Clapton. It would be interesting to hear Roine play with H and Mark Kelly  as a project off-shoot from Marillion.


Shoot. Yes, I do have that one. It's even signed by Roine. Big smile

Yeah, I wasn't knockin' the guy. Just a different guitarist than the others.

It could happen. It sounds like Roine might have The Flower Kings on ice for a bit.

Have they announced the venue for the North American convention? It sounds like it's going to be Montreal. I'm still up in the air which one I'll attend. If I go to Holland, it won't be the same standing in line with you and your wife. You guys really made that time go by fast.

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No word on the 2011 NA convention location yet. I can only hope it will be here in Montreal again. If you head to Holland I'm sure you'll meet some nice people in line there too...just stay away from the ones with inflatable parrots ( chuckle ).   Got to leave the office in a few minutes...Denise called me and said I received a couple of packages today. One from CD baby, that'll be the Phideaux and your Poco CD. The other is from Sweden, and that should be the Agents of Mercy/Karmakanic Live disk you so enjoy.  I'm still waiting for the Fish albums I ordered...maybe next week...
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I've got every Flower Kings disc, every Transatlantic disc, Agents Of Mercy, every Tangent (including the two with him on it, plus Pyramids And Stars), a few Kaipa discs, Karmakanic (yes, I know it's not his band, but he plays on a few tracks), Neal Morse's ? (where Stolt guests on).

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Good day to you E !  Have you heard Stolt's Wall Street Voodoo ? Great work on that Album. If we compare Steve R. to Gilmour, then Stolt for me is a prog version of Clapton. It would be interesting to hear Roine play with H and Mark Kelly  as a project off-shoot from Marillion.


Shoot. Yes, I do have that one. It's even signed by Roine. Big smile

Yeah, I wasn't knockin' the guy. Just a different guitarist than the others.

It could happen. It sounds like Roine might have The Flower Kings on ice for a bit.

Have they announced the venue for the North American convention? It sounds like it's going to be Montreal. I'm still up in the air which one I'll attend. If I go to Holland, it won't be the same standing in line with you and your wife. You guys really made that time go by fast.

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No word on the 2011 NA convention location yet. I can only hope it will be here in Montreal again. If you head to Holland I'm sure you'll meet some nice people in line there too...just stay away from the ones with inflatable parrots ( chuckle ).   Got to leave the office in a few minutes...Denise called me and said I received a couple of packages today. One from CD baby, that'll be the Phideaux and your Poco CD. The other is from Sweden, and that should be the Agents of Mercy/Karmakanic Live disk you so enjoy.  I'm still waiting for the Fish albums I ordered...maybe next week...
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Steve, I just finished up the Karmakanic/Agents Of Mercy live disc in the car. Absolutely mindblowing! They do an awesome version of Genesis' "Afterglow". Goran dedicates "Eternally" to his parents who "drove their car all the way to Heaven". Very sad.

Yeah, check out that awesome artwork for the Poco disc. LOL  Just joking. Jon Rosenbaum laid out the cover and the tray card and I did everything else. I did not, however, put together the collage of the band on the inside. That was put together by their bassist, Jack Sundrud. I met him a couple of years ago when Poco played Lawrence, KS with Richie Furay. Incredibly nice guy. He's not Timothy B. Schmit, though.

Let me know what you think of it.

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Just to add my opinion to the Grendel v TSE discussion, I can only say that I think that in 20 years time, TSE will still be regarded as an utter classic and not dated in any way shape or form. Regrettably, Grendel is dated, and no more than an interesting curiosity from a fledgling great band starting on the long journey of finding themselves.

Also, vis a vis the Rothery discussion, he is, IMHO, THE most emotional and expressive of guitarists. The hairs on the back of my neck still stand up when I hear the introduction to Beautiful, the haunting interludes of TSE, and most especially the bursts in Neverland, to name but three. The man is a genius.

Well said on both fronts. Regarding TSE, it's simply epic, and I LOVE that solo. 

As for Rothery's fretboard skills, I only count Gilmour and Neal Schon as his melodic peers. And let's not forget the solo in "Easter" -- talk about chills! Or how about the lines beneath Fish's lyrics in "Hotel Hobbies," followed by the whammy-laced explosion of notes that is one terrific hair-raising solo?! 

Just my $.02


Neal Schon! Now there is a guy who deserves a lot more credit. What a phenomenal guitarist.

Whenever I think of Rothery's playing, I sort of use "Easter" as the standard. That could very well be the best guitar solo I've ever heard.

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