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Posted: January 14 2011 at 11:01

" If we eat wrongly,
No doctor can cure us;
If we eat rightly,
No doctor is needed."

---- Victor G. Rocine
circa 1930

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Posted: January 14 2011 at 11:03

timothy leary wrote:

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If we eat rightly,
No doctor is needed."

---- Victor G. Rocine
circa 1930

Cept when ya get hit by a bus.

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Posted: January 14 2011 at 11:24

Correct......western medicine is great for trauma etc.

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Posted: January 14 2011 at 11:31

timothy leary wrote:

" If we eat wrongly,
No doctor can cure us;
If we eat rightly,
No doctor is needed."

---- Victor G. Rocine
circa 1930

To a point. If we eat sh*t, no doctor can cure us, but if we eat rightly, but f**k wrongly, then absolutely no doctor can cure us.

Pardon the french... Tongue

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Posted: January 14 2011 at 12:07

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Padraic wrote:

Need to start up the diet again.

Mike, I thought fats like olive oil, nuts, avocado etc. were good for you? You said something a page back about avoiding vegetable oils.

The idea is to avoid oils that contain mostly Omega-6 fatty acids. Olive oil and avocado are fine in that regard (it's mostly monounsaturated fat), but nuts contain more Omega-6. What I had in mind when I said "vegetable oils" - and I should have been more precise - are grain based oils like sunflower oil, canola oil, soy bean oil etc.. Those should be avoided and replaced with monounsaturated fats - or even saturated fat like coconut oil, if used for cooking or frying.

It's about maintaining a healthy balance between Omega 6 and Omega 3. We tend to get a *lot* of Omega 6 and virtually no Omega 3, so we should reduce Omega 6 oils and supplement with fish oil - or eat lots of fatty fish like salmon, mackerel or sardines.

Just did some quick Googling which confirmed this - the good news is that I pretty much cook with either olive oil or butter, so I should be good in that department. I need to eat fish more regularly.

When I prepare my own meals, for the most part it's pretty healthy I feel. I just need to cut down on the take-out/junk.

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Posted: January 14 2011 at 12:21

Epignosis wrote:

timothy leary wrote:

"
If we eat rightly,
No doctor is needed."

---- Victor G. Rocine
circa 1930

Cept when ya get hit by a bus.

I recommend you don't get hit by a bus. That's how that dad on 6 feet under bought it. The cigarettes would have taken much longer.

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: January 14 2011 at 13:10

^ It's even one of the Primal Blueprint laws: Don't do stupid things.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-primal-blueprint/

(Here it's still called "avoid trauma" ... it later got modified a bit in the book).

I basically agree with all these laws, except that some people can tolerate grains/carbs better and don't need to be that restrictive.

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 12:14

Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ It's even one of the Primal Blueprint laws: Don't do stupid things.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-primal-blueprint/

Thank you, interesting read

One thing I'd like to bring into consideration is that slim doesn't mean healthy Some people may show a muscular body but that doesn't mean they are eating or exercising well

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 12:18

Mike, have you heard much about dried fruits?

In the winter, the selection of fresh fruit is pretty abysmal and I switch to dried fruit. Aside from the high sugar content, I wonder if the nutrients and phytos/antioxidants survive the drying process and can be assimilated by the body.

I also wonder what you think of raw food diets (and apologies if you covered it, I have not read your whole thread).

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 16:40

shivareemoon wrote:

Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ It's even one of the Primal Blueprint laws: Don't do stupid things.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-primal-blueprint/

Thank you, interesting read

One thing I'd like to bring into consideration is that slim doesn't mean healthy Some people may show a muscular body but that doesn't mean they are eating or exercising well

Leanness is correlated with reduced risk for many diseases - just as obesity is correlated with increased risk.

Another way to approach this is: If you're not lean and you *think* you're eating and exercising well, maybe you're not. I'm not saying that everyone can achieve a lean body by changing lifestyle and/or diet, but some may be able to achieve a lot. I'm currently half way between lean and obese - and one year ago I would never have thought that it would be possible. When I started going low-carb people complimented me on the visible changes, but most - including myself - didn't think it would last. Today, about 10 months later, I not only managed to keep the weight off, but also increased my strength and muscle mass and improved my blood pressure to the point where I no longer have to consider taking any medication (I changed from 150/95 to 130/85). So at least for me, I think that getting leaner also coincides with getting healthier.

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 16:51

Finnforest wrote:

Mike, have you heard much about dried fruits?

In the winter, the selection of fresh fruit is pretty abysmal and I switch to dried fruit. Aside from the high sugar content, I wonder if the nutrients and phytos/antioxidants survive the drying process and can be assimilated by the body.

Sure - you already mentioned the high sugar content, but aside from that most nutrients are still intact, plus especially dried berries and prunes have a lot of fiber. I would go for organic though, because especially with berries you have to worry about pesticides (since you eat the whole fruit and don't peel it).

You can combine dried fruits with nuts (the typical trail mixes), or you can eat them as a dessert after a protein/fat rich meal.

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I also wonder what you think of raw food diets (and apologies if you covered it, I have not read your whole thread).

I don't think that rawness (as in "uncooked") is that big of a deal - I'm a big fan of whole foods though. One of my favorite meals is steak with veggies ... the goal is to avoid processed food. For example, a couple of pages ago I suggested that when at McDonald's you eat the chicken wings instead of the chicken McNuggets. The latter are a food product made of 20+ ingredients. From Wikipedia (I underlined the ingredients that I find objectionable):

"As of 9 October 2010, the ingredients are as follows: Chicken, water, salt, sodium phosphates. Battered and breaded with: bleached wheat flour, water, wheat flour, food starch-modified, salt, spices, wheat gluten, paprika, dextrose, yeast, garlic powder, partially hydrogenated soybean oil and cottonseed oil with mono -and diglycerides, leavening (sodium acid pyrophosphate, baking soda, ammonium bicarbonate, monocalcium phosphate), natural flavor (plant source) with extractives of paprika. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane made of silicone^[4] is added as an antifoaming agent.^[5] The list may be slightly different outside of the United States."

Now, don't get me wrong: This doesn't mean that I'll never eat Chicken McNuggets again. What it means is that I'll try to eat healthier alternatives 80% of the time (the 80/20 rule).

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 17:08

Cool, thanks. Good point, I had not thought about the pesticides thing. Most of the dried stuff I pick is berries, so I'll try to find the organic.

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 17:16

You can also try to eat seasonally ... for example, in the winter you can chose not to eat a lot of vegetables. When you eat a lot of meat, you don't need veggies for vitamins anyway ... except for Vitamin C meat contains all the vitamins you can get from veggies. And when you eat fewer carbs you don't need all that much Vitamin C.

I wonder if our ancestors 100,000+ years ago dried fruits to make it through these ice age winters? Probably not, since they didn't have any vessels and/or dry places to store them. It's more likely that they had extended periods (as in: the better part of a year) of pure meat diets alternating with periods of mixed food availability.

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 17:37

I'm really not able to handle a high meat/fat diet, I have trouble with indigestion. I like meat, but have to be reserved about the quantity and leanness. And I fail on the carb front too, I love carbs far too much to let them go.

Thankfully i have no weight issue. I'm one of those people who can eat what I like without gaining an ounce. If anything I need to put on weight.

What I do need to work on is cutting down on sweets and processed cookies, etc. Smile

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 17:44

Foods like dates and figs can help the sugar craving

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 17:55

^ they have a lot of fiber, but also a lot of sugar. I have found that the best strategy to counter sugar cravings is to avoid sugary foods. It takes some discipline, but if you can manage to not eat sweet food for a week or longer, the cravings actually diminish.

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 18:03

Finnforest wrote:

I'm really not able to handle a high meat/fat diet, I have trouble with indigestion. I like meat, but have to be reserved about the quantity and leanness. And I fail on the carb front too, I love carbs far too much to let them go.

Thankfully i have no weight issue. I'm one of those people who can eat what I like without gaining an ounce. If anything I need to put on weight.

What I do need to work on is cutting down on sweets and processed cookies, etc. Smile

Do some strength training combined with eating more meat. No need to join a fancy gym - have a look at Mark's free fitness ebook:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-fitness/

It's basically body weight exercises, but for each one there is a range/progression from easy to really hard.

Why do this? Because when you do put on weight, you want it to be muscle, not fat - and the way to ensure that is to do strength training.

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 18:13

See, I fail there too LOL

...I hate weight training, but I love hiking and cardio stuff, we have a great treadmill and eliptical machine that I love.

But I know you're right, those do nothing for core strength, which I could use. Someday...

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 18:15

These are ideal for developing core strength:

"Someday" ... well, it depends on how much you really want to change. Big smile

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Posted: January 16 2011 at 18:28

I know....I'm not hardcore on this stuff. A little here and a little there.

Also, I think lots of the "weights" guys give too little importance to cardio. Some of the guys at work are huge compared to me...but they never do cardio and I know I'm in better shape then they are, as far as endurance.

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