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Henry Plainview
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 01:42 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Well I only just realized this thread was not originally in the Appreciation section, so my bad if I sounded a bit harsh earlier
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Well it was moved to Appreciation almost immediately, so you're covered. :P
DavetheSlave wrote:
Hi Crimson87 - surely you like "Scenes from a Memory??????? |
Is liking it a requirement?
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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jplanet
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 02:33 |
DavetheSlave wrote:
Hi Crimson87 - surely you like "Scenes from a Memory??????? |
Perhaps he does, and perhaps he doesn't, but whatever you do, don't call him "Shirley".
Edited by jplanet - December 30 2008 at 02:34
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PetrucciPal
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 10:33 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
The one good thing Petrucci's music has done for me is that it got me out of shred and made me tired of the Dream Theater writing-style. Now I can appreciate concise songs and emotions so much more! |
But Dream Theater's FULL of emotion- I don't understand why people don't think they are. Ever heard Hollow Years? Just Let Me Breathe? Even Repentance contains a certain amount of feeling. Petrucci doesn't shred on some songs....but even when he does, it just makes the song better =)
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PetrucciPal
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 10:34 |
Yes. lol no actually, liking the Train of Thought album is a requirement. If you don't, then you're not a real Dream Theater fan. lol jk XD
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crimson87
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:17 |
Have you cheched Hat & Field yet?
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PetrucciPal
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:19 |
crimson87 wrote:
Have you cheched Hat & Field yet? |
...what band? Or is that the band name? lol
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crimson87
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:21 |
The band is called Ain Soph , it's from japan
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PetrucciPal
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:25 |
crimson87 wrote:
The band is called Ain Soph , it's from japan |
lol it's...interesting. XD
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 15:35 |
PetrucciPal wrote:
Yes. lol no actually, liking the Train of Thought album is a requirement. If you don't, then you're not a real Dream Theater fan. lol jk XD |
Well I agree that you're not a Dream Theater fan if you don't like it, but why would I want to be a Dream Theater fan? :P
I was asking in reference to being on this website.
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crimson87
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 15:44 |
PetrucciPal wrote:
lol it's...interesting. XD |
See , there is life beyond shredding!
Edited by crimson87 - December 30 2008 at 15:45
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The Pessimist
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 17:02 |
I only can really appreciate one of his solos: the solo at the climax of Voices. Not only his greatest solo, but a world class solo as well I can safely say. I'm going to keep further opinions to myself in fear of upsetting the DT fanboys
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Arnold Schoenberg
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: December 30 2008 at 20:06 |
Dream Theater isn't my favorite band, but Scenes from a Memory alone shows that both Dream Theater and Petrucci can be heavily accomplished in fields of technicality AND emotion. No metal album can top that, IMO. The powerful combination of virtuosity, emotion, and songwriting is what makes Dream Theater the most representative progressive metal band. When they're on the top of their game, they deserve that title. When they're not, we get Falling into Infinity. Nonetheless, SFAM and Six Degrees are worth owning alone just for sheer brilliance (followed by Images and Words and Awake). Be hating on Dream Theater if you want, but I'd stand alone if I had to on my praise for their musicianship and accomplishments. Petrucci isn't my favorite guitarist, but he hardly gets the respect he deserves around these parts; and I'm glad this appreciation thread was created. You don't have to agree with me, but that's my two cents. If Scenes from a Memory doesn't move you emotionally by the time you're done listening to it, then I find that hard to understand.
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Fieldofsorrow
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 02:14 |
I completely agree with MovingPictures07. Scenes From A Memory is fantastically well paced, with high emotion throughout the entire album, with each song providing its own flavour to this impossibly complex yet elaborate album. And that is why I regard Petrucci first and foremost as a songwriter.
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 03:24 |
PetrucciPal wrote:
Avantgardehead wrote:
The one good thing Petrucci's music has done for me is that it got me out of shred and made me tired of the Dream Theater writing-style. Now I can appreciate concise songs and emotions so much more! |
But Dream Theater's FULL of emotion- I don't understand why people don't think they are. Ever heard Hollow Years? Just Let Me Breathe? Even Repentance contains a certain amount of feeling. Petrucci doesn't shred on some songs....but even when he does, it just makes the song better =) |
But full of emotion in relation to what? I am sure you are comparing Petrucci with some other guitarists and not just talking about emotion in an absolute sense, because in an absolute sense, all music is emotional, how emotional is as the listener perceives. Now, have you heard Steve Hackett's work with Genesis or his solo albums because I cannot find anything as emotional as Spectral Mornings (song) or Shadow of the Hierophant in Petrucci's solos. Even what looks superficially like a typical upbeat rock solo in Every Day, Hackett invests so much emotion into his every note, that it ends up becoming astonishingly memorable. If you say Hackett doesn't shred and so you don't like his style, there you are. People look for different things from the same artists.
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PetrucciPal
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Posted: January 02 2009 at 17:03 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
PetrucciPal wrote:
Yes. lol no actually, liking the Train of Thought album is a requirement. If you don't, then you're not a real Dream Theater fan. lol jk XD |
Well I agree that you're not a Dream Theater fan if you don't like it, but why would I want to be a Dream Theater fan? :P
I was asking in reference to being on this website. |
Because Dream Theater
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AMAZING. ^_^
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: January 02 2009 at 22:10 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dream Theater isn't my favorite band, but Scenes from a Memory alone shows that both Dream Theater and Petrucci can be heavily accomplished in fields of technicality AND emotion. No metal album can top that, IMO. The powerful combination of virtuosity, emotion, and songwriting is what makes Dream Theater the most representative progressive metal band. When they're on the top of their game, they deserve that title. When they're not, we get Falling into Infinity.
Nonetheless, SFAM and Six Degrees are worth owning alone just for sheer brilliance (followed by Images and Words and Awake).
Be hating on Dream Theater if you want, but I'd stand alone if I had to on my praise for their musicianship and accomplishments. Petrucci isn't my favorite guitarist, but he hardly gets the respect he deserves around these parts; and I'm glad this appreciation thread was created.
You don't have to agree with me, but that's my two cents. If Scenes from a Memory doesn't move you emotionally by the time you're done listening to it, then I find that hard to understand.
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Petrucci gets a lot of respect at this forum board. You start a thread, asking who likes Petrucci, and I guarantee you'll get many takers. And oh, I can perfectly understand why someone might not be moved by SFAM. They could hate DT for a start.........
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: January 02 2009 at 22:16 |
Rogerthat, for the record, Steve Hackett does do right hand tapping and 3 note per string legato stuff, so technically, he does actually shred. Okay, fair enough, he didn't do that stuff while in Genesis really, but in his solo records, he does some shed stuff. It's more a question of whether you find his style enjoyable or not really. Personally, I think Steve Hackett incorporates shred technique into his solos very tastefully, an opinion I'm sure you share. I tend to find his playing pretty packed with emotion too and he's definitely one of the better lead players in rock.
But yeah, to keep it on topic, Petrucci is not bad:P
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Leningrad
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Posted: January 02 2009 at 22:22 |
Wow, a Petrucci thread that didn't get beaten into the ground by trolls by page two? This place has definitely undergone changes as of late. I'm impressed. And utterly appalled.
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topofsm
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Posted: January 02 2009 at 22:23 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dream Theater isn't my favorite band, but Scenes from a Memory alone shows that both Dream Theater and Petrucci can be heavily accomplished in fields of technicality AND emotion. No metal album can top that, IMO. The powerful combination of virtuosity, emotion, and songwriting is what makes Dream Theater the most representative progressive metal band. When they're on the top of their game, they deserve that title. When they're not, we get Falling into Infinity.
Nonetheless, SFAM and Six Degrees are worth owning alone just for sheer brilliance (followed by Images and Words and Awake).
Be hating on Dream Theater if you want, but I'd stand alone if I had to on my praise for their musicianship and accomplishments. Petrucci isn't my favorite guitarist, but he hardly gets the respect he deserves around these parts; and I'm glad this appreciation thread was created.
You don't have to agree with me, but that's my two cents. If Scenes from a Memory doesn't move you emotionally by the time you're done listening to it, then I find that hard to understand.
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Petrucci gets a lot of respect at this forum board. You start a thread, asking who likes Petrucci, and I guarantee you'll get many takers. And oh, I can perfectly understand why someone might not be moved by SFAM. They could hate DT for a start.........
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Well I just got SFAM this past week (I'm still working on my DT collection) and I've listened to it about 3 times and I still don't see what the whole fuss is about.
Maybe a couple more times will help.
I think my favorite Petrucci solos are as follows:
1. Stream of Consciousness
2. Hell's Kitchen
3. Under a Glass Moon
They all utilize the shred technique, and IMO they are all extremely well written. I enjoy well written solos, as opposed to oppurtunities to throw a few shred phrases together and call it a solo.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: January 02 2009 at 22:26 |
^Yeah, I personally don't understand why SFAM is hailed as the best DT album ever either. Images and Words is just on another level IMO. Stream of Consciousness is still my favorite DT instrumental. I remember when I heard Stream of Consciousness for the first time, back in late 2006. It was such an intense and beautiful experience, I listened to it on repeat so many times.
Edited by HughesJB4 - January 02 2009 at 22:27
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