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Points: 25210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2008 at 03:37
^*Waits and watches as this thread derails into an argument about what selling out actually is*


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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2008 at 14:01
Rush  was and is a good band. simple as that.
 




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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2008 at 14:10
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

^*Waits and watches as this thread derails into an argument about what selling out actually is*




want a definition....  hmm... a picture says a thousand words...
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Points: 10665 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2008 at 14:17
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

and the best music is from UK without doubt, you will NEVER can compare any band from any country with a UK band.


I can ignore the Rush bashing, but this statement is ludicrous.


I wonder what Micky will say when he reads thisWinkLOL... Where are the RPI fans when one needs them?


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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2008 at 14:22
hahhaa..   we just let them wallow in their ignorance LOL  His loss.. not ours hahhaa. 
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2008 at 14:24
Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

and the best music is from UK without doubt, you will NEVER can compare any band from any country with a UK band.


Wait - what about a band from another planet? Tongue


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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

and the best music is from UK without doubt, you will NEVER can compare any band from any country with a UK band.


Wait - what about a band from another planet? Tongue


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Points: 6419 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2008 at 16:43
This topic has been done ten million times without getting anywhere (I made my first post two years ago in one) so I suggest someone close and hide this. 
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only one thing more ignoramus...
 
tell me only one reason that says music from UK is not better than...(another country?) there is NO REASON to explain this, because BEATLES or ROLLING STONES or THE WHO or LED ZEPELLING or one thousands millions bands from UK were and will be the music that NOWADAYS are making a lot of bands in the world.
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Points: 16111 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 10:34
^^^ What are these bands?

I've seen a great scene coming out of Poland, Israel and Sweden recently with acts who don't have as big of haves as those that you mentioned, for for a modern band they're all rather excellent. Just about every band who comes on the scene these days won't have as much as a chance as those early for-runners of the rock genre mainly because

a. Those you mentioned where the first and they may not be "better" anyways since that's a personal preference and many people (myself included) enjoy the modern scene from other countries more than those old "classic" bands
b. Nostalgia is an overruling factor. Those bands will never have a new band rival them because they were the first and they were the "best" in many people's eyes. Not true because people are quite ignorant to new music and they always stick with their "classics"
c. New bands don't have the same chances as old bands. I hate to quote the guy, but it's like Bono once said, "There will never be another U2". Band who are aimed at the general population have a short shelf life because the general populous are quick to move on to the next trend thanks to our MTV culture.

Your views are completely subjective and while it's a fact that those bands sold many more records than bands these says that also applies to modern British bands who have just as much troubles as other international bands and preference is preference. Now is a much different time than the 70s, but maybe in 30 years people will be talking about how Sweden was the best prog country ever because of bands like Anekdoten, The Flower Kings, Beardfish - and many others.

Thank you for the post which inspired my rant
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 10:52
Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

only one thing more ignoramus...
 
tell me only one reason that says music from UK is not better than...(another country?) there is NO REASON to explain this, because BEATLES or ROLLING STONES or THE WHO or LED ZEPELLING or one thousands millions bands from UK were and will be the music that NOWADAYS are making a lot of bands in the world.
 
LED ZEPPELING ?????
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Points: 16111 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 11:11
Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

only one thing more ignoramus...
 
tell me only one reason that says music from UK is not better than...(another country?) there is NO REASON to explain this, because BEATLES or ROLLING STONES or THE WHO or LED ZEPELLING or one thousands millions bands from UK were and will be the music that NOWADAYS are making a lot of bands in the world.
 
LED ZEPPELING ?????
LOLLOLLOLWink


LOL I didn't even catch that
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Points: 1069 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 11:25
I thought Rush were over-rated then I heard 2112.Smile
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Points: 79 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 16:21
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

only one thing more ignoramus...
 
tell me only one reason that says music from UK is not better than...(another country?) there is NO REASON to explain this, because BEATLES or ROLLING STONES or THE WHO or LED ZEPELLING or one thousands millions bands from UK were and will be the music that NOWADAYS are making a lot of bands in the world.
 
LED ZEPPELING ?????
LOLLOLLOLWink


LOL I didn't even catch that
you smile? you have a picture of helloween and you smile? do you have any idea of music with a picture of helloween? jajajajajaj
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Points: 79 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 16:27

Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

^^^ What are these bands?

I've seen a great scene coming out of Poland, Israel and Sweden recently with acts who don't have as big of haves as those that you mentioned, for for a modern band they're all rather excellent. Just about every band who comes on the scene these days won't have as much as a chance as those early for-runners of the rock genre mainly because

a. Those you mentioned where the first and they may not be "better" anyways since that's a personal preference and many people (myself included) enjoy the modern scene from other countries more than those old "classic" bands
b. Nostalgia is an overruling factor. Those bands will never have a new band rival them because they were the first and they were the "best" in many people's eyes. Not true because people are quite ignorant to new music and they always stick with their "classics"
c. New bands don't have the same chances as old bands. I hate to quote the guy, but it's like Bono once said, "There will never be another U2". Band who are aimed at the general population have a short shelf life because the general populous are quick to move on to the next trend thanks to our MTV culture.

Your views are completely subjective and while it's a fact that those bands sold many more records than bands these says that also applies to modern British bands who have just as much troubles as other international bands and preference is preference. Now is a much different time than the 70s, but maybe in 30 years people will be talking about how Sweden was the best prog country ever because of bands like Anekdoten, The Flower Kings, Beardfish - and many others.

Thank you for the post which inspired my rant

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Points: 66588 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 16:31
Hey Vi0LaToR, Check out this thread. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20495&KW=&PID=1900097#1900097  It should take you down memory lane.  It appears that you never went back to that thread after your initial post. 
 
Are Rush overvalued?  I suppose that it is a matter of perspective.  9 of my 10 favorite albums of all time are Rush albums, and yet none of them make the PA top 10 albums.  Thus from my perspective, Rush are undervalued.  Being a Rush fanboy, yes, I over value Rush's albums, but that is my tastes and my prerogative.  As far as Rush being overvalued by PA, the answer to that is absolutely not.  There are 3 bands on this site that get bashed more than any other and they are Dream Theater, ELP, and Rush.  Hardly a thread goes by where somebody doesn't come along with a snide remark about at least one of these bands.  So to answer your question, no, Rush are not overvalued.  As matter of fact, you will find plenty of Rush haters on here to hang out with and commiserate with.


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Points: 32181 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 16:39
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Hey Vi0LaToR, Check out this thread. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20495&KW=&PID=1900097#1900097  It should take you down memory lane.  It appears that you never went back to that thread after your initial post. 
 
Are Rush overvalued?  I suppose that it is a matter of perspective.  9 of my 10 favorite albums of all time are Rush albums, and yet none of them make the PA top 10 albums.  Thus from my perspective, Rush are undervalued.  Being a Rush fanboy, yes, I over value Rush's albums, but that is my tastes and my perogative.  As far as Rush being overvalued by PA, the answer to that is absolutely not.  There are 3 bands on this site that get bashed more than any other and they are Dream Theater, ELP, and Rush.  Hardly a thread goes by where somebody doesn't come along with a snide remark about at least one of these bands.  So to answer your question, no, Rush are not overvalued.  As matter of fact, you will find plenty of Rush haters on here to hang out with and commiserate with.


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Points: 79 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 18:14
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Hey Vi0LaToR, Check out this thread. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20495&KW=&PID=1900097#1900097  It should take you down memory lane.  It appears that you never went back to that thread after your initial post. 
 
Are Rush overvalued?  I suppose that it is a matter of perspective.  9 of my 10 favorite albums of all time are Rush albums, and yet none of them make the PA top 10 albums.  Thus from my perspective, Rush are undervalued.  Being a Rush fanboy, yes, I over value Rush's albums, but that is my tastes and my prerogative.  As far as Rush being overvalued by PA, the answer to that is absolutely not.  There are 3 bands on this site that get bashed more than any other and they are Dream Theater, ELP, and Rush.  Hardly a thread goes by where somebody doesn't come along with a snide remark about at least one of these bands.  So to answer your question, no, Rush are not overvalued.  As matter of fact, you will find plenty of Rush haters on here to hang out with and commiserate with.
 
sorry but... i cant belive it, because your nick is pure SubjectivityConfused
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Points: 15745 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 18:22
Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

only one thing more ignoramus...

tell me only one reason that says music from UK is not better than...(another country?) there is NO REASON to explain this, because BEATLES or ROLLING STONES or THE WHO or LED ZEPELLING or one thousands millions bands from UK were and will be the music that NOWADAYS are making a lot of bands in the world.


I bet Zappa has made stuff that none of UK has ever possibly made. As well as for Magma, Skaldowie's Krywanu Krywanu, the Krautrock scene, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Pat Metheny, Return to Forever, Miles Davis, Weather Report, John Coltrane, Rush and hundreds of more.
This is not saying UK music isn't bad, they have and had amazing bands, innovating, breaking barriers none had done, but all this stuff has also been in other ways by American bands, and from many other places.
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Points: 8543 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 18:35
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

only one thing more ignoramus...
 
tell me only one reason that says music from UK is not better than...(another country?) there is NO REASON to explain this, because BEATLES or ROLLING STONES or THE WHO or LED ZEPELLING or one thousands millions bands from UK were and will be the music that NOWADAYS are making a lot of bands in the world.
 
LED ZEPPELING ?????
LOLLOLLOLWink


LOL I didn't even catch that
 
One thousand million bands?  That would be 1 billion bands.  Assuming approximately 4 members per band and even allowing some overlap, so that we have on average 3 unique members per band, that would be 3 billion people.  Now, assuming every person in the UK is a member of a band, including the elderly and small children, the UK would account for half of the world's population.  Damn, you guys breed a lot for such a small country.  Confused
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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