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Joren,

It's funny that you equate "Faith" with a Marbles song because it was supposed to be on the album. They showcased the song Faith during the 2003 convention when they performed Afraid Of Sunlight in it's entirety. On the Before First Light DVD they come back out and do "Faith" and "Easter". Then, on the deluxe edition of Marbles On The Road, from the same convention they do "Don't Hurt Yourself", "Angelina", "Ocean Cloud" (and the 4th one escapes me). So, they were previewing Marbles quite heavily.

I liked how Somewhere Else just jumped right out of the gate with "The Other Half". That's what really caught my eye. Seems a lot of Marillion albums have a slow burn to them as they start ("The Invisible Man", "Bridge/Living With The Big Lie", even Happiness Is The Road), but this one just punched you right in the face. Really liked that about this album.

And "Somewhere Else" and "Voice From The Past" are two of their best.

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Originally posted by GrapeApe GrapeApe wrote:

Definitely have to put Somewhere Else into the player now and revisit it. But tonight, I had a business meeting in NYC, so I took Marillion Rochester (yep, I donated) with me for the drive in from north NJ. No traffic into the city, so I only got through all but "Easter" from Disc 1, including a brief sit in the driveway to finish "Estonia" before going into the house. Just, wow ... Sure, there are some hiccups as you'd expect from a live recording, but personally, I like that rawness in live recordings. To me, the sequencing of "Lavender" into "Afraid of Sunlight" is just brilliant. I always thought that opening with "Season's End" was a bit strange, feeling that "Alone Again" or "Hard as Love" would make for a much more energetic kick-off, but seeing as "Season's End" is one of my favorite vocal performances from H, so all is forgiven. And "Garden Party" is just a genius way to cap the show, isn't it?

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Michael,

I've been monitoring it when I've seen it on ebay, but it can go for quite a chunk of change. Still, it's one of the 'holy grails' of Marillion discs. Is it worth having?

Puts me in the mood for some live Marillion.

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Any of you guys have Marillion's Piston Broke? Absolutely phenomenal live CD from the This Strange Engine tour. Highly recommended!!

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Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:



Any of you guys have Marillion's Piston Broke? Absolutely phenomenal live CD from the This Strange Engine tour. Highly recommended!!

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No, but I saw them live on that tour in Wolverhampton, and they absolutely blew the roof off of the Civic Hall venue. In fact, I remember threatening my friends after in the pub that if any of them asked about no Fish songs, revenge would be prolonged and painfulAngryLOL

In addition, of course, I simply couldn't afford to buy any other band's material if I went for all of the live Marillion offeringsWink
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Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:



Any of you guys have Marillion's Piston Broke? Absolutely phenomenal live CD from the This Strange Engine tour. Highly recommended!!

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This is one I don't have, but it opens with one of my fave tracks " Man Of A Thousand Faces". Eric, what is the sound quality and mix like on this release ?
 
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Any of you guys have Marillion's Piston Broke? Absolutely phenomenal live CD from the This Strange Engine tour. Highly recommended!!

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I don't have this release yet. It opens with one of my favourite tracks " Man Of A Thousand Faces" , so I should probably order the download. Eric, what is the mix and sound quality like on this recording ?
 
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Steve,

I'm not an audiophile, so I'm sure others would hear some warts here and there. Personally, I think the sound quality is great -- very clear and crisp. No problems to my ears.

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It sounds worthwhile, so thanks for the tip. I have a few DL's from Racket, and so far they have all been fine. I'll order it today and let you know what I think after a few listens.
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Originally posted by Progfan1958 Progfan1958 wrote:

It sounds worthwhile, so thanks for the tip. I have a few DL's from Racket, and so far they have all been fine. I'll order it today and let you know what I think after a few listens.
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It's a good listen, Steve. I'm sure there are quality limitations considering where that band was 11 or 12 years ago (when compared to something like, say, Marbles By The Sea or Somewhere In London), but the performance is very precise and (of course) emotional. Excellent version of "Brave", and Pete's bass solo prior to "This Strange Engine" is amazing.

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Just in case you haven't seen it, this is a great review by a Newbie:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=267307


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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Just in case you haven't seen it, this is a great review by a Newbie:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=267307




Very nice. I like how he supports his reasonings.

It's REALLY nasty here in America's heartland today -- freezing rain turning to snow and we are getting beat down like a Grand Canyon mule. I had to get out and run some errands in this garbage and took the live disc Smoke with me. I normally shy away from it because I feel the set list could've been stronger. That being said, it's still a nice live recording. I should drag it out more often.

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I've gone through most of it ( fell alseep half way through-not because of the music, but just because I'm getting old and need my naps !   Replayed the missing section later on yesterday )   and the performance is very good. Comments on the sound-the snare is a little too far back in the mix, and there's a bit of over enthusiasm from a reverb standpoint. Pete's bass could be a bit warmer and fuller as well.  Given that, if this is a sound-board recording without any follow up mixing, then it's actually quite a good job, because some of the sound is coming directly off the stage and the mix through the board compensates for this so that the balance is heard in the hall. I did live audio for a few years in the 80's , and desk recordings always reflected that.    Overall the show is very good-love H's scream at the end of Stange Engine !!   I'll play it again on my drive home tonight.
 
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At the show in Wolverhampton, that scream at the end of This Strange Engine was phenomenal. I thought H was going to explode with the violence and energy of it all, and I remember that there were these hoards of Marillion fans all looking up at the stage utterly agog with mouths wide open and eyes bulging at the sheer intensity of it all. Easily one of the finest gigs I have ever been too.
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That final scream is one of the hair raising moments from the weekend. All the frustrations from the previous technical problems was just released on those last final moments. Spellbinding.

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It's interesting browsing back through the pages in this appreciation thread and see how different people came to appreciate Marillion. My story goes back to the mid 80's. ( Aside from reading Tolkien's "Silmarillion" in the 70's ) Being a prog fan through the 70's the scene had gotten rather disheartening at the start of the next decade. There were few glimmers here and there. Got to see and really enjoy the "Discipline" era King Crimson, but they only really lasted 4 years and were gone. But Steve Hackett was still creating some decent music, and here is where my earliest connection to current Marillion started. Steve and band came to a club here in Montreal in 1983, and brought as part of his group a young(er) drummer by the name of Ian Mosley. It was a great show ( aside from the fire department stopping it 3/4 of the way through because the club owner had stuffed just too many fans into his venue ) and one quite memorable experience. ( I wouldn't see Steve perform again for 22 years ! ) Then around 1985 Kayleigh hit the airwaves, plus the occasional play of Lavender, so the name Marillion became known to me. Then they opened for RUSH at the Montreal Forum in 1986, and I thought that they were a half decent first act, but really nothing more than that. I was not " gob smacked" as they say, and I found the music somewhat clumsy and lacking much grace. I knew that Fish had left the band in the late 80's, and that Steve Hogarth was the new vocalist, but I had not been interested in them previously, so I saw no reason to look into it any further. A dozen or so years later on a friend ( Dave Fisher )of mine introduced me to Dream Theater and then Transatlantic, and then things became interesting. I explored Spock's Beard and The Flower Kings through the T-A connection, but did not go any deeper into Marillion aside from finally picking up Misplaced Childhood to see if it would strike my fancy at all, but it still came across to me as a bit lack-luster. In 2004 I was looking over the Marillion website and saw their advert and overview for the new Marbles album, and more out of curiosity than anything else I put my PayPal cash down and ordered the 2CD copy from Racket. Right from the start, with "The Invisible Man" , through "Ocean Cloud", and the finale "Neverland" I was captivated. The passion and adventure in the music, and the sheer conviction these guys play with was amazing. Sure, there were tons of borrowed influences, Pink Floyd, Midnight Oil, U2, REM, and definitely The Beatles, but the blend was really unique. I had to hear more, so back to Racket and in came "Anoraknophobia", "This Strange Engine", "Season's End", "Afraid of Sunlight", "Dot-Com", "Radiation", and the amazing "Brave".

All this great art to explore....and the problem was that it was all becoming quite a jumble in my head. What song was that again ? What album was it from ? It took me a good six months to begin to organize it mentally. Then I'd put the Ipod on shuffle and get all mixed up again. Such great music that I had been missing for so many years. It's sad to say the during all this confusion the band actually came to Montreal touring for Marbles and I missed the show ! It's six years later now, and I have filled in most of the rest of the discography, CD and DVD, Fish and H, studio and live. And the great opportunity to see them over three nights at the Montreal convention came around, and I just could not miss it. My wife Denise happily came along for the

first two shows, and long time prog buddy Dave for the third "long track" evening. All performances were great, even with "H" freaking out a bit due to a tech issue with his cricket bat during "This Strange Engine" ( or maybe he missed a cue and the samples were out of sequence...only Steve H and his technician know the truth ). Hey, H got to vent a bit by crowd-surfing, and our enthusiastic thread moderator Eric got to help out ( Kudos E-Dub ) .

So now I'm firmly in the camp. I look forward to new releases, and really think it's a great thing that we fans can help these artists by sponsoring them create such beautiful noise. If I'm lucky the 2011 North American convention will come back to our fair city of Montreal.

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I just read Fish's account of the split and the turbulent time around CAS.  I realize it is probably old hat to the Marillion experts in this thread, but if you don't know the whole story it is quite interesting.  It is a lengthy first-hand account straight from Fish about why it happened.  Just follow this link and scroll down to Fish's section. 

http://www.marillion.com/music/albums/cas.htm

If you enjoy that, go back one album to Misplaced Childhood and read Fish's section about how he came up with the concept, and details about that time, a much happier time for the group.  Neat website they have with band members commenting in detail about each album. 

Sorry if you all knew this already, I don't get in this thread too often....just wanted to share.  Smile
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I just read Fish's account of the split and the turbulent time around CAS.  I realize it is probably old hat to the Marillion experts in this thread, but if you don't know the whole story it is quite interesting.  It is a lengthy first-hand account straight from Fish about why it happened.  Just follow this link and scroll down to Fish's section. 

http://www.marillion.com/music/albums/cas.htm

If you enjoy that, go back one album to Misplaced Childhood and read Fish's section about how he came up with the concept, and details about that time, a much happier time for the group.  Neat website they have with band members commenting in detail about each album. 

Sorry if you all knew this already, I don't get in this thread too often....just wanted to share.  Smile
 
Wow, I can't believe I hadn't read this one yet!Ouch I mean, I'd read all the others Script, Anorak, the Radiation interview, and yet I had never read about the break up in such detail. Well that being said, I really think it is a shame the band hadn't taken a break in '88 just to return in '89 with fresh ideas and, as Fish put it, grown, not as a band, but as humans. When you guys talked about there being no potential left in Marillion with the old line-up, I remained on the background: I thought the band still hád potential, and after reading this, I am nothing but assured of this view. I mean, look at what Fish has created with Vigil and Suits: the music may not always be that good, but his thoughts and their transcription to words are superb, IMO. All they needed was time and a break from eachother; in my opinion CaS in no way reaches they hights of the first three Marillion albums, I mean, it is very good at times, but just not good enough overall -The first three songs, "White Russian", "The Last Straw - Happy Ending", they are absolutely great, but songs like "Going Under" are just not good enough, they definitely have potential, but are not ready yet, IMO. But, hey, the past is the past - and luckily the band found h. 'Cause if they hadn't, I would very much have regretted Fish being gone.
 
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I just read Fish's account of the split and the turbulent time around CAS.  I realize it is probably old hat to the Marillion experts in this thread, but if you don't know the whole story it is quite interesting.  It is a lengthy first-hand account straight from Fish about why it happened.  Just follow this link and scroll down to Fish's section. 

http://www.marillion.com/music/albums/cas.htm

If you enjoy that, go back one album to Misplaced Childhood and read Fish's section about how he came up with the concept, and details about that time, a much happier time for the group.  Neat website they have with band members commenting in detail about each album. 

Sorry if you all knew this already, I don't get in this thread too often....just wanted to share.  Smile


thanks for sharing Finnforest. Yes, this is an honest and first hand account of the split, and although I have seen it before, the next post makes it clear that many others haven't.

I still, though, hold by my opinion that it was most definitely the right time to split, whether they took a break or not. I genuinely think they had come to the end of the creative road with CAS, and the new arrival took them into such incredible territory that I can never ever regret it.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

 I still, though, hold by my opinion that it was most definitely the right time to split, whether they took a break or not. I genuinely think they had come to the end of the creative road with CAS, and the new arrival took them into such incredible territory that I can never ever regret it.

As much as I love CAS (listened to it earlier today) and consider Fish my favorite lyricist, I agree with Lazland that it was probably the right time, especially considering, as he Lazland mentions, what they've done with H since then. 

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I think they could have made another great album, certainly a better one than CAS, if they had a nice long break in there to chill.  But it worked out fine.  M2 turned out to be a great band too. 

Side question.  Are there any Fish solo albums that are as good as MC?   Or almost as good?
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